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Whilst researching a dairy siding on a future project, I found this film from Express Dairies that features South Morden Bottling Plant on the BFI website:

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-the-daily-round-the-story-of-milk-production-and-distribution-1954-online

It shows that the road tanker turns right just after the rail bridge, into what is now the mosque site.

There's some shots of the sidings at aound 8:00 minutes for those too impatient to watch the journey from udder to tanker!

TTFN,

Ben

There's a video on Youtube showing operations at the dairy. There are shots of road tankers in a shed, which could well be the same shed that's visible in the rail connected era, just converted for road vehicles maybe?

Express Dairies Morden - 1991 - Youtube

There are people connected to the dairy in the posting thread, so they may be able to answer questions.

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Ben

On 08/05/2019 at 09:56, Karhedron said:

This is quite a nice shot of the Express Dairies depot looking into the loading area showing the fascinating selection of pipes and hoses for unloading and cleaning the tanks. Note the different shunter to the one pictured above.

 

 

 

Here is a photo from the road side. You don't really get a sense of how big it was from the front.

 

 

This picture is actually of the Unigate distribution yard,  which is/was a little further up London Road and on the opposite side to the main dairy. Here's what it looks like now on Google Streeview.

Unigate distribution centre site London Rd, Morden Streetview link

The Express bottling pland was adjacent to Morden South station and is now the site of the Mosque. Frustratingly, looking at various old maps on the NLS site, they dont' seem to show any rail connection that ties up with the photos. However, the chimney may well be the same as on this map:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=51.3967&lon=-0.1996&layers=170&right=BingHyb

On 05/02/2019 at 07:10, andye said:

I have a handful of real 4 aspect colour lights, probably from the southern , from the 60s, i can send some pics, or you can buy one off me if you want a fabulous garden ornament! !!

Out of interest, what's the going rate for such lovely decorative garden features? I don't think my original scheme of a set od wig-wags was too popular...

Ben

If you are interested in the history of Cookes Explosives, I found a 45 minute (Sadly mute) film showing the day to day workings at the factory. There's a brief snippet of loading gunpowder wagons towards the end. Also some amizing inclines and ropeways too.

Sorry if someone's already posted this, I'd not noticed if they had.

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-cookes-explosives-limited-an-account-of-explosives-manufacture-in-penrhyndeudraeth

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Ben

I'm suprised to see smoke eminating from the stove on the brake van considering the tanks here. What was being transported and was there a policy about lit stoves and hazardous loads?

The Midland today, at Toton and Trent.

 

The first photo isn't great in terms of colour fidelity but it is well worth looking at the rolling stock in the background.

 

You may think you've seen the second photo before but you have not.  It is the same train as before, but a different photo of it.

 

 

Toton Class 08 propelling tanks Carless Oct 77 J5841.jpg

Toton Class 08 propelling tanks Carless Oct 77 J5841

 

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Ben

There's clearer views of the proposed route on the New Civil Engineer website:

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/business-culture/engineers-pitch-m25-for-high-speed-trains/10028836.article (though you may need to be registered unless you sneek in via an image search)

Was suprised that the images didn't enlarge in the original page.

I remember the fuss made about the original Central proposition and it never really was more than a pipe dream. Maybe this actually has more merrit?

If it's the same corridor along the M25 in Surrey then that's the bottom of our garden, currently a nice field of horses.

Then there's the Heathrow Southern Railway proposition that was announced last year:

http://www.airportwatch.org.uk/2017/08/heathrow-southern-railway-the-new-1-2-billion-train-line-which-could-link-heathrowwith-guildford-and-waterloo/

I managed to miss thi, but looks like they might clash a bit!

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Ben

So it looks like someone is trying to suggest a new high speed route linking up HS1 and 2 with Gatwick and Heathrow as a passenger route.

https://expedition.uk.com/thinking/hs4air-an-m25-for-high-speed-trains/

Part of the plan looks remarkably like the route that the ill fated Central Railway was intended to take, namely following the M25 through South London and Surrey and then diving ito a tunnel in the bits deemed to be "sensitive".

One has to wonder if this has any more chance of taking off...?

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Ben

Well, look what Oxford have just announced!

https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/brm/information/oxford-diecast-january-2018-announcements?utm_source=Communicator&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=imageLink38&utm_campaign=A+surprise+announcement+by+Oxford+Rail&_ccCt=CCMcwRuh0obDylsrSog3G561Awbl_kaTuK2qNnItF7Tx1PcBMOkD7d%7egqpRqXqVn

A few potential candidates here!

I do wish they would have chosen a Hymac 580c as opposed to the newer JCB excavator though, already quite a few of those around and too late for my chosed era. The Hymacs seem to be a much overlooked make and were really the main machines until the Japanese units like Hitachi started to appear.

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Ben

Not such a good idea. There is youtube evidence to suggest that these are fooled by people standing on the ramps. This lifts the barriers, encouraging drivers attempt to cross. The culprits then jump off, causing vehicles to hit the ramps.

Sorry can't find at present. Edit to add Here's an example

 

 

Note BMW driver was already on the wrong side of the road, ready to go. Won't do that again! The yobs had a great laugh.

I don't think it's actually dropping the ramps that lifts the barriers, you can see a couple of guys forcing them up. There's no reason why they would need to interact that way really either. The issue is more that in order to stop people jumping the lights they would need to pop up before the barriers came down, so pretty hazardous.

Colin, you are spoiling us with this amazing footage! When can I buy the it on Blueray in HD??? You really have some priceless stuff here, Woodhead and Tinsley are just great, even got shots of the Class 13 at work. The fact that you have sound too is simply incredible. So little cine footage has sound let alone decent atmospheric stuff that you seem to have make this all the more enjoyable.

I know I'm gushing again, but this really is top stuff and I'll be first in line to buy it if you should release it...

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Ben

Hi Colin,

Wow, that Elmo did you well I think! The sound is suprisingly good for an on camera type on Super 8, most were pretty rubbish and were drowned out by camera noise. You obviously didn't worry about the shot time like I tend to on 50ft carts, with you nice long shots. Sadly I came to cine just too late to be able to buy sound film. I would really be interested to see a comparison between the reduced definition and the HD capture. Might you be able to do a short clip of it perhaps? I hope you get some commercial interest in those for some historic stuff too, it would make a nice Blueray. So much enthusiast stuff is hung up on locos and cab numbers that your footage make such a refreshing change, I know I keep saying it! It's so frustrating to watch those when you really want to see (and hear if there's sound) the whole formation run through the shot!

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Ben

Hi Colin,

Thanks so much for posting these! I particularly like the Peak stone stuff. So nice to have sound on these too as so much cine is mute. Great camerawork as ever, much steadier than the average home movie for sure.

What camera/stock were you using, can you remember? I'm gussing it was something with a 200ft capacity as the sound is better than the usual 50ft carts! The transfer looks nice, were you happy with it, who did you use in the end?

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Ben

Just checked mine (NCB preorder) and all looks OK internally thankfully. One of the handrails is rather distorted which is a bit naff though.

One omission I noticed though, no NEM blanking pieces for the bufferbeam?

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Ben

https://www.shapeways.com/product/25PQ2U6WD/lineshaft-bearing-6-quot-4mm-scale

Sold to that man! Many thanks. One step closer to finishing the first of my buildings with the headstocks and winding house. Both are tryouts for my CNC router which I normally use as just a drill so this is something of an experiment. I've come up with a fairly simple concrete headstock design as a test and pretty happy so far. Will see how it turns out, hopefully all the Shapeways bits will make it undamaged...

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Ben

Hole is 1.33mm nominal, the raised boss around it has an outer dia of 2.3mm so plenty of scope for drilling out and bushing for various shaft diameters. 

Looking at the sizes, I think I might need mine about twice the size of those. The Sheaves state they are intened for a 2.6mm brass tube. What sort of money would I be looking at for say half a dozen twice the size of the listed ones perhaps?

Cheers,

Ben

Something like these... https://www.shapeways.com/product/YXHFD3SEB/line-shaft-bearings-4mm-scale

Aha, I failed to find those! The search function on Shapeways doesn't agree with me and I think of myself as quite a competent one for searching. The only one I'd found was a job lot for about fifty dollars and no word of scale. Super, now I just need to find a discount code...!

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Ben

What are plummer / pillow blocks?

 

Gordon A

Ah, OK, I should have posted a picture really shouldn't I?!

This is the kind of thing:

Here's a page with some detail of headgear sheave bearings:

http://www.pleasley-pit.org.uk/html/sheaves.htm

I'm planning on having the sheaves running with a winder and endless loop to give the effect of the pit in use...

TTFN,

Ben

Hi All,

Yes, I realise this is an ancient thread but rather than start another, it seemed more relevant to resurrect this one!

I'm building some colliery headstocks and have sourced the sheaves via Shapeways but am having a hard time finding any suitable plummer/pillow blocks.

Does anyone know of any suitably small plummer blocks that would work with these:

https://www.shapeways.com/product/6UXLXB9ER/pit-sheave-wheel-70-mm?optionId=57963000

I could mess about trying to create something auitable looking but I'm really suprised there's nothing more obvious being offered on Shapeways for example other than a super expensive set that I can't tell how large they are!

Cheers,

Ben

There's just enough left along that route to be nostalgic as you cycle along. You certainly notice the pretty steep gradient too! Camped nearby ans went out with the kids rcently but must go a bit further along next time as I missed the signal post sadly.

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Ben

Toton in the early 80s pre miner's strikes. Drive down the approach road and park in the 'staff' car park. Don a suitably dirty HV vest (I was wearing other clothes) and proceed around yards and depot. Happy days. Was never shot or eaten by guard dogs.

Phil

Did you lead a double life Phil, or was this what you did in the school holidays??!

My how you've changed in that photo since I last saw you :-)

Ben

The lenses are standard and easily sourced. The mechanisms are in safe storage. 

Glad to hear! I've seen similar piles of signals which seem to have had all the lenses purposely smashed, presumably by urchins rather than staff unless it's a ploy to make them less desirable?

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Ben

Drool! Hope those lenses survived, lool like they were about to be trashed. Would love on of those at the bottom of the garden...

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Ben

I don't think I trust that site, it still lists Cockenzie!

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Ben

Hi,

It takes a certain discepline to lock-off a shot and let the train run through the frame and I appluad you for it. I know tripods are a tricky subject in some situations, I use a Manfrotto Magic Arm with a suction mount (usually with it's cover on) as a makeshift steady-cam. If needed I swap out the base for a Superclamp which you can attach to most posts, rails or pipes to give a firm anchor.

It's so common for many shooters to only concentrate on the loco and forget the train. It's a spotters thing I realise, numbers were crucial! On super 8 you often had to follow in order to get a clear enough shot as the exposures are relativly long per frame. "Hosepiping" on super 8 really results in a blur, but I still love seeing old footage, wobbly or not! As many people have commented though with photos, it's often the incidental things captured that are now of interest. Rolling stock, infrastructure the little details that make it so interesting are oft not the focus of a shot or film, but equally important I feel.

It's well worth getting a decent HD transfer these days, it really makes a big difference. Many people had really poor quality telecine jobs done in the past, on awful equipment and then dumped their original footage. I suppose in this "digital" age some can't see how a tiny piece of film can justify HD, but I would advocate it needs a 4k scan in order to capture the grain accurately without going "spangly" I digress though, I'm a bit obsessive about film! As an aside, Kodak have just announced a new super 8 camera by the way and they will be offering HD transfers as part of a package with film apparently.

There are still plenty of places claiming to do transfers using projectors, ground glass screens or nasty Gocko units which give terrible results. A quality frame by frame capture is still never quite as magical as seeing it projected, but is pretty close.

I was looking at getting some footage transferred and this site seems very reasonable : http://anumedia.co.uk/no connection, but think I might try them.

Waffle mod:off....

TTFN,,

Ben