petrox

1 hour ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:

Hatfield, WGC and the Hertford, Luton and Dunstable branches. Also 'ear-spotting' on frosty winter nights, in my present location I can hear from North of Welwyn tunnels as far as about 20th mile bridge but that's nowaday's only Doncaster's finest steam traction, GM's shed, or the occasional 'something' in mechanical distress, if I am any judge. (Deltics now, when being given all the beans, over a seven mile stretch.)

That's interesting, with the wind in the right direction I can hear trains crossing the viaduct at Welwyn - we must be in the same area.

Back in the mid-1950's our house backed onto the ex-GE line between Enfield Lock and Waltham Cross stations - N7 and L1 tanks on locals, B1, B17, Britannia on expresses, WD, K3 and occasionally J39 on freights - once even an E4 2-4-0? Some years later I remember chatting to the driver of an A4 at Kings Cross, just before the loco was to be withdrawn.

Not trainspotting, but for my 50th birthday treat, my wife arranged a trip driving Flying Scotsman at the Nene Valley Railway.

So with all this LNER background, my layout is inspired by - GWR Kingswear!

Pete

11 hours ago, Phil Bullock said:

 
4628 was a Gloucester then Worcester loco …. Went for scrap in 1964 still wearing GWR on her tanks… 

Pic of 4628 in R.C. Riley's "Great Western Album" in 1963.

Have only just seen this sad news - I have been a very satisfied customer of Hattons for nearly 20 years, and have always found them to be an excellent organisation to deal with (both buying and selling stock). At least the business is closing down in a structured and organised manner, so hopefully the impact on staff will be lessened.

No doubt there will be many opinions as to the possible short and long-term effects  of the closure of one of the major model railway retailers - maybe there will be a move towards buying direct from the manufacturer (I have cancelled my Hattons pre-order for the B-set and ordered from Rapido).  

Pete

Thanks for the info - looks as though I can easily justify a K22, and will I look back at some photos of other diagrams.

Thanks again.

Pete 

Answering my own question to some extent, browsing through various books, i have found the following photos of Toplights in trains in the mid-1950's:

May 1955 & August 1956 - D56 Brake third, Dainton bank

July 1956 -  Third, Kingswear carriage sidings

Aug. 1954 - D56, Tiverton Junction

March 1957 - K22, Paddington

August 1957 - D56?, Bittaford 

May 1958 - D56?, near Leamington

Sep. 1957 - Composite?, Uphill Junction

Jan. 1955 / April 1958 / Oct. 1958 - 70' Brake third

Also surprisingly a couple of Concertina Brake third - May 1955 Dainton / August 1956 Dainton

Anyway I feel comfortable to have a coupe of Toplights on my layout - just need Dapol to do their bit now!

Pete

Although the Dapol Mainline & City stock looks excellent, I am waiting in hope for the corridor versions - maybe just a couple for my South Devon inspired layout, a K22 full brake and a brake third and/or a third.

I have some photo evidence of Toplights still in use in 1955-57 period, but is there any info available for when these coaches were finally withdrawn, or what trains they might have been seen on? (I know Rule 1 could always be invoked, but i would prefer it if history  could back me up).

Many thanks in advance for any info.

Pete

Thanks for the info - Dapol's model of 5330 appears on the list of locos with lined green / late crest, whereas 4358 is not on the early emblem list - so maybe 5330 is the correct way to go.

Pete

Dapol have one of their upcoming 43xx Moguls finished in BR lined green / early crest livery. Were many 43xx finished in this livery?  Somewhere I think I have seen a photo of a 43xx in lined green on Royal Train duty, but possibly with late emblem.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Pete

3 hours ago, cctransuk said:

 

DHL reckon mine will arrive during a late afternoon slot today.

 

My dear wife will have to accept it, as I'll be down the pub! 😃

 

CJI.

7810 Draycott arrived lunchtime today - DHL were going to leave parcel on the doorstep, but we opened the door and caught the courier taking a pic! Model extremely well packaged, no signs of any problems, but full inspection and some initial trials later after the St. Petrox  branch has closed for the night. Loco looks superb, especially next to an old Bachmann version (which must be 25 years old?).

Pete

9 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

One elbow I could understand, but both?????

Playing golf with 2 clubs at the same time?

I play golf twice a week - I don't have golfers elbow, but golfers hip does not help my swing action (such as it is).

18 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

Indeed they are - my 7820 is in transit.

 

CJI.

My 7810 on its' way also.

4 hours ago, disco1974 said:

I haven’t yet. I only got my Manor from the first half of the batch a fortnight ago. I’ve got two from the second half to come. All pre ordered at the same time. 

Also still waiting for 7810 Draycott - never mind, soon be Xmas.

According to various books I have (see below), for example the loco for the up Torbay Express worked down to Kingswear on the 9.50 Newton-Kingswear local passenger, before being turned (and watered?) and working out  on the 11.25 up Torbay . There is also a pic of a Castle class loco, having taken the down Torbay to Kingswear, working back to Newton Abbott tender-first on a local freight. Another pic shows a Castle working down on the 8.30 Paignton-Kingswear with a 2-coach local, presumably before taking an up express.

Stock for various up express workings from Kingswear may have been worked down from NA - another pic shows  a Large Prairie tank at the head of 9 corridor coaches, which seems a lot for a local passenger - many local trains seemed to consist of 4 or 5 coaches maximum.

Books are Operation Torbay 1957 (W.S. Becket), GW Branch Line Memories (Lewis Reade), Newton Abbott to Kingswear (C.S. Potts).

Hope this helps - my layout is inspired by Kingswear but by no means is a close representation!

Pete

On the  subject of SR locos working Plymouth-Exeter trains with WR stock, I happened to be browsing Dick Blenkinsop's book Echoes of the Great Western, and found this combination:

29th August 1957 - 34061 leaving Bittaford for Plymouth with "very varied coaching stock" - Hawksworth BSK / Centenary CK / Collett SK / Collett BSK / Toplight BSK (apparently in brown livery?).

If you replicated that format in model form I wonder how realistic it would look?

Pete

Going on a classic car tour in a couple of weeks, going through Piddletrentheid and Piddlehinton - then stopping  for a comfort break.

Sorry for going off topic - back to the middle of the Muddles.

Pete

I spent over 20 years in the I.T. world but at the business systems end rather than the technical side - however I can imagine what must have been involved over the last few weeks.

I will add my thanks to all involved for their efforts to get steam up again - well done.

Pete 

Between 1952 & 1956, at the bottom of our garden on a slight embankment, was the ex-GE line between Enfield Lock &  Waltham Cross - many hours spent noting numbers of Britannia / B1 / B17 locos on express trains, N7 and L1 tanks on locals, WD / K3  on goods, (and I think one day an E4 2-4-0? ).  In spite of this background, I now model WR in South Devon in the same period!

The highlight though, was the day a Gloster Meteor jet (from North Weald?) buzzed down the line about 100 feet up - possibly the pilot was a train enthusiast.

Pete

I have not had a confirming email, but i can log in using my email address/username - however I haven't tried to buy anything yet.

Pete

Many thanks for the wise words of advice.

It seems that my fictional branch Dartmouth/St. Petrox - Plymouth can be worked comfortably by a 14xx/single auto combination, but I will allow time on the operating schedule for a water stop at Kingsbridge.

Incidentally (as I am sure many know) such a line through the South Hams was proposed at various times between 1860 and 1890, but never happened - in my world the line has survived into the 1950's, albeit with only light traffic and short trains (Rule 1 applies). If the line had been built, I guess the Brent - Kingsbridge branch might not have happened. 

Many thanks once again.

Pete

Apologies if this topic has been covered before at some point.

What would be the typical operating range in mileage of a small tank engine, such as a GWR Pannier, or an SR M7 or O2, before taking on coal and/or water? 

I assume water would be needed before coal, and maybe the duty being performed would affect the range, whether on a local passenger or a pick-up goods.

I note that Plymouth-Tavistock (about 15 miles) trains were usually 14xx/auto operated, but Plymouth-Launceston were usually 45xx - was this because a 14xx would need a refuelling stop on the longer working?

The reason I ask is that my South Devon layout has a mythical branch from Dartmouth (St. Petrox on the model) to Plymouth, about 35 miles - do I need to allocate a 45xx or would a 14xx or 64xx be suitable?

Many thanks in advance to the many RM gurus who I trust will know the answer.

Pete

As my layout is 1950's South Devon, I'll vote for 6 (A27) and 7 (A28/A30) as my preferred choices - at a pinch I could see a use for 11 (A44), as one was used on the Brixham branch for a while before diesel railcars took over.

I have two of the old Airfix/Hornby autocoaches, which I appreciate are not strictly accurate, but re-painted and weathered they look the part - for some reason I have never taken to the Bachmann Hawksworth version.

Thanks once again for all the polls - will there be a summary of all the poll findings issued?

Pete

My favourite choice would be for no. 6 (B set E140) to replace the old Airfix set I have.

However I would find room for a couple of coaches from either 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, or 11, either as an alternative B set or "odd" coaches attached to a B set.

Thanks again for the poll.

Pete

At a pinch I could probably justify a slip coach, so no. 6 / F24 for me - but no possible use for any sleepers.

Will have more interest in the next two polls.

Thanks again.

Pete

As my layout is supposedly set in 1957, I would vote primarily for vehicles which carried BR choc/cream livery (ideally to form part of the Torbay Express), as follows:

2 - H25

3- H38

5 - H55

6- H57

7 (8-wheeler) H25

8 (12-wheeler) H57

I would add that I could only justify buying one of whichever vehicle was produced.

Thanks once again for the poll.

Pete

Re. latest poll - 8/9/10/11 for me to suit mid-1950's period.

Agree it is about time that new accurate Sunshine stock was available.

Thanks again.

Pete

Re. latest poll - definitely 1 (especially the K22)

Thanks.

Pete