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Can anyone confirm that the Consett ore hoppers were transferred to Immingham when Consett closed, for use on Scunthorpe trains?
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Whenever I see statements like this, I can only assume the writer has no knowledge of either approach. Do you really believe we are all born with CAD and 3D modelling skills and just have to push a couple of buttons to produce a finished model?
Traditional scratchbuilding involves research, design, production of parts, assembly and finishing. All require different skills. Research is much the same however we intend to produce the model. At the design stage, computer-based tools give us a way of producing shapes that are more dimensionally accurate than those produced from hand drawings. They may also allow us to check that parts fit together before they are produced. All of this requires at least as much skill in manipulating the software as hand drawing. A Cameo cutter merely replaces the cutting skills used in the production of parts. All very useful, though you won't get very far as a modeller without some hand cutting. As to 3D printing, again that only replaces some of the part production and assembly phases. In both cases, the result still needs a fair amount of finishing to compare with a good hand built model.
Personally, I've spent a great deal of time working with various forms of 3D modelling and CAD though I prefer to exercise mechanical skills in building models. Because I do have some of those skills, I know that computer aided methods are certainly not for dumbos.
Nick
Whilst you need different skills to produce 3D and Cameo modelling, once you have set up for this, you can have production runs indefinately-that part is deskilling. There are no motor skills involved in computers-with the loss of scratchbuilding, these will be lost.
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The effect of 3D printing and Cameo cutters is a massive de-skilling of effort required to produce a model. The implications for the hobby are enormous, and I think ultimately will make model railways more appealing to a wider populace. This can surely only strengthen the hobby. Conversely, traditional skills are being neglected in the area of scratchbuilding, (Even though I would suggest that computer design and availability of components has seen track building become more popular, with the likes of EM and P4 crossing and slip assemblies becoming increasingly common). It is regrettable that skills may be lost-the photograph and description of the K1 chassis is an example of what the scratchbuilder's art is all about. It may well consist of thick brass frames, X04 motor plus worm gears and filed rail rods-all very reminiscent of the 1970's-but superbly well executed, and I bet utterly reliable. Definitely what I prefer in the hobby.
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And I might be driving through Gastown in May, I'll let them know
Would love to return to the singing pubs and French brassieries. Meanwhile:-
8/07/1961 61088 Skegness-Leicester (Belgrave Road) passenger train (Railway World 10/63) 9/07/1961 61142 Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Skegness passenger train 16/07/1961 61209 Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Skegness Saturdays only passenger train (Railway World 10/63) 8/1961 61285 Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Skegness train (East Midlands Branch Line Album p12 0 7110 0828 0) 1960s 61285 Melton Mowbray with Skegness excursion (East Midlands Branch Line Album p17 0 7110 0828 0) 61953 1412hrs (SO) Skegness-Basford North 2/09/1961 61188 Skegness-Leicester(Belgrave Road) passenger train 18/01/1962 70005 John Milton Skegness. Arrived with eighteen ECS, left light engine 15/07/1962 61177 Leicester(Belgrave Road)-Skegness passenger train and return 28/07/1962 61285 Skegness-Leicester(Belgrave Road) passenger train 25/08/1962 61179 0806hrs Kings Cross-Skegness "Butlins Express" 3/06/63 44658 Beeston-Skegness excursion at Mansfield Town (East Midlands Branch Line Album p84 0 7110 0828 0) 17/06/63 46100 Royal Scot Towed from Boston Shed to Skegness, for preservation at Butlin’s 1963 70013 Oliver Cromwell Skegness. Through working from Grimsby summer/63 61361 Summer special Skegness-King's Norton 28/07/63 61174 Coventry – Skegness excursion. D5005 to Peterborough, replaced by 61174 8/1963 61160 Skegness with a Derby train 31/08/63 61188 Radcliffe-on-Trent With Skegness train 25/07/1964 61003 Gazelle Skegness 1/08/1964 61031 Reedbuck Firsby with a Skegness-Leeds Central train via Grimsby (Oakwood 205 Railways to Skegness p50) 8/08/1964 61188 1X28 Skegness-Derby Excursion at Bingham (Steam World 154) 30/08/1964 61031 Reedbuck At Skegness with a Returning West Riding Excursion 31/08/1964 D5288 At Skegness with an excursion 12/09/1964 44918 RCTS Special. Skegness with RCTS Notts and Lincs railtour. Last steam train on Horncastle branch. Nottingham Midland - London Road Jn - (via goods lines) - Sneinton Jn - Carlton - Rolleston Jn - Newark Castle - Main Line Jn - D3619 hauled the train and locomotive from Main Line Junction into Newark Northgate Station Newark Northgate- Barkston- Leadenham - Lincoln Central- Boultham Jn - Greetwell Jn - Bardney - Woodhall Jn - Horncastle - Woodhall Jn - Stickney - Bellwater Jn - Firsby - Skegness - Firsby South - Woodhall Jcn - Lincoln Avoiding Line - Gainsborough Lea Road - Trent Jcn - Worksop - Elmton & Creswell - Shirebrook West - Mansfield Town - Nottingham Midland Route 1X28 throughout 12/09/1964 D1564 Skegness British Railways Past & Present 27 Lincolnshire p111 After 1964, Leeds-Skegness excursions ran via Grimsby, instead of via Woodhall 3/07/1965 44828 (Holbeck) Leeds-Skegness train via Firsby 17/07/1965 45128 (Crewe South) Skegness train at Firsby 1960s 61227 Firsby with 1318hrs Skegness-Leicester Belgrave Road (Oakwood 205 Railways to Skegness p52) 7/07/1965 D393 1420hrs Skegness-Leeds (J Jennison) 4/09/1965 44824 (Holbeck) on Skegness train at Firsby 4/09/1965 44828 Leeds-Skegness service. Probably the last steam engine at Skegness 27/04/1966 Skegness station locomotive line, platform crossover and Ground Frame abolished 2/05/1966 Alford Town station closed to goods 2/05/1966 Burgh Le Marsh station closed to goods 2/05/1966 Skegness station closed to goods 2/05/1966 Wainfleet station closed to goods 2/05/1966 Willoughby station closed to goods -
6/07/1957 61638 Melton Hall Skegness 14/07/1957 61657 Doncaster Rovers Skegness 3/08/1957 61870 Ancaster bank. Skegness-Kings Norton train. (Locomotives Illustrated 53 page 26) 15/09/1957 61201 0945hrs special to Skegness 7/04/1958 62660 Butler Henderson At Skegness 11/06/1958 61331 First Butlins Express Kings Cross-Skegness 14/06/1958 61914 Skegness-Kirkby-in-Ashfield 5/08/1958 Three sets of Quad-Arts returned to London by class 9F after use on Nottingham-Skegness Day excursions during the Bank Holiday weekend 24/08/1958 61141 Skegness-Leicester Belgrave Road 24/08/1958 61281 Skegness-Grantham 24/08/1958 61284 Skegness-Grimsby 24/08/1958 61871 Skegness-Nottingham Victoria 30/08/1958 61130 Kings Cross-Skegness passenger train 16/05/1959 61816 Sheffield-Skegness passenger (Bassetlaw RS) 14/06/1959 62661 Gerard Powys Dewhurst Shirebrook-Skegness special (Bassetlaw RS)
18/07/1959 61250 At Lowesby with Leicester (Belgrave Road)-Mablethorpe train (Railway Modeller September 1969) 23/08/1959 61142 Firsby with Skegness passenger train 29/08/1959 61177 Leicester Belgrave Road with 1332hr from Skegness (East Midlands Branch Line Album p11 0 7110 0828 0) 2/09/1959 D5909 Skegness with holiday excursion 30/03/1960 92188 (New England) Skegness to move ECS from Winter storage 31/03/1960 92202 (Immingham) Skegness to move ECS from Winter storage 17/04/1960 61004 Oryx 0925hrs Clowne South-Skegness Special at Shirebrook North (Steam World 139) -
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Railway Observer
The new two-car Derby DMU sets (Class 114) in Lincolnshire were not adequately powered for the existing schedules with the addition of
a van or horsebox, unlike the lightweight units. Some services such as Skegness-Grantham and Lincoln-Boston were run as three coach
sets with an extra power car. Examples noted in traffic were 50008/50007/56007, 50011/50012/56012, 50038/50039/56015
and 50015/50035/56035.
Spare trailers stored 56016/25/40 at Metheringham, 56010/39 at Bardney and 56004/20/22/37/38/44/45 near Sleaford South Junction.
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I sourced this one from an old magazine-subsequently checking in Yeadon's Register revealed nothing, although the Register has omissions. I am searching for further information on this.
Yeadon's allocations give Blaydon and Borough Gardens as the furthest South for J36s
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Agree with Bedders though I have a slightly different perspective. Do you mean NBR J 36 locomotives as from my recollection the furthest south they got during WW2 was Malton NorthYorkshire where they worked on local goods traffic
I sourced this one from an old magazine-subsequently checking in Yeadon's Register revealed nothing, although the Register has omissions. I am searching for further information on this.
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Just to hijack the thread a little, do you have any more info on the time they spend at Brocklesby? Seems a strange choice of location to me
I posted that off my database-I think that was sourced from the RCTS and is the sum total of information I have on the GWR engines.
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Simon,
Thanks for the comments on the K3. As Will 5210 has mentioned above - wrong sized wheels in an L1.
I am most certainly aware of the book you mention, since I was asked to proof read it and date the pictures (none of which was done by Peter). So, if you can find mistakes in the dating, those are down to me.
Given your almost reverence of ET, the Chapter by TCB Miller makes most interesting reading. Considering that he was responsible (as Shedmaster at Haymarket) for running the P2s, for a senior man to consider the work of his superior to be a 'criminal act' does rather substantiate the 'prejudice' regarding the Thompson Pacifics. Remember, by then 2001 was a conventional loco so any of the criticisms about it (noted elsewhere in the book) didn't apply. It's a pity Geoff Lund's observations weren't published as well (Irwell had them), for he was equally scathing of ET's work as well. Since he was shedmaster at 64B post-war (subordinate to Miller at the time in question), his first-hand accounts paint a very poor picture of the A2/2s in particular. Jack Somer's chapter, though containing some praise for the A2s (including 60533), does acknowledge the short-comings of the Thompson chassis arrangement, which nobody can deny was wrong. Though it's not mentioned in Trask's chapter, his opinion of ET was also pretty low. The comments by BC Symes say it all when the drawing office staff effectively 'hid' the drawings from the CME.
Draw your own own conclusions............
And, despite my obvious interest, I recommend the book even if some of the pictures have been published before.
"Toram Beg" was a Haymarket driver who wrote many articles in the fifties. He was very critical of the P2s-but this seemed to be based on the fact that they were unsuited for their application-the Edinbugh-Aberdeen road was detrimental to their long fixed wheelbase, and they were underutilised on their planned diagrams. Why they were not simply transferred to Kings Cross and used on the heavy traffic to Doncaster and York, for which they would have been ideal, is a mystery. Willie Yeadon's observation that ET was adequate when he was not interfering with Gresley's work seems to sum it up.
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Cheers Kal
Well, once the house is sold we are looking at moving to somewhere just north of Victoria on Vancouver Island, so not as far as the first jump, but a good 14 hours in the car and a ferry ride. It'll all depend on what's available at the time, but at the moment we are thinking of building something.
Give my regards to Gastown
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Between 3/40 and 10/40 rail-mounted guns (Possibly all stored from World War 1) were deployed on railways near the coast in Kent, Essex and Lincolnshire, (Willoughby). War Department requisitioned GWR Dean Goods No 198 (2559) & 199 (2517) were allocated to Lincolnshire, at Willoughby, after previously at Brocklesby. A NER class J36 was allocated to Louth, as standby engine for No 199. These two locomotives arrived in Kent about 1943/4. Original WD requisition was for 100 engines, No 100-200, which during 1939/40 had their ATC apparatus removed and were fitted with Westinghouse brakes. No 195-200 were fitted with pannier tanks and condensing gear, and all were painted black. (RCTS Locomotives of the GWR part 4, page D76, part 14 page P87).Hi everyone
It's been slow going on the modelling front, because it's been pretty busy elsewhere. We closed the B&B a week last Wednesday (now there are a few words that would get you a blank stare over here!), and we're about to start turning it back into a house as we'll not be selling it as a business (of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from turning it back into a B& B). So there's going to be plenty to do before we put it onto the market.
The first thing I'll be doing it packing the layout away. There are only two boards with scenery on and ballast, so I'll take proper care of them. The other boards will have their track taken up and put into a long box. Then it's put all the stock back into their boxes, etc. This means that I'll be on smaller projects for the foreseeable future. I've been enjoying building vehicles, so I'll carry on with that.
The first two things to do will be finishing the Barnum and the Armstrong Whitworth 1-co-1, then I've a couple of other ideas. It'd be easy to start some other stuff right away, but I need to get these two finished before I start some more. Lets just say I'm looking at the possibility of a buying and butchering a County Class 4-4-0 at the moment
I've just received the relevant copy of Yeadon's register, and now that I know what I'm looking for, I'll be onto Isinglass for some plans.Talking about the GWR, I don't think it's the first time one of their locos has been on the "Poacher Line". Apart from a GWR W20 railcar at Boston in 1952, in the 1980s I seem to remember that there was some sort of GWR pannier tank scheduled to be at Havenhouse (between Wainfleet and Skegness, and my local station when I was a kid) to be used for filming a scene for The District Nurse with Nerys Hughes.
There was more variety than you realise.
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Mike Trice's RMWeb articles on teak colouring and weathering may be helpful
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An Ian Allan album has a photograph of a Class 52 on the Birmingham line hauling a chocolate and cream mark 1 coach with B4 bogies-model that and see what reaction you get!
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I know that this is probably no use to you now, but the way i would do it it to make another door in 10thou, laminate it on another sheet of 10thou so its now on a 20thou thickness. The inside of the gangway would be the outer shape of the door, so that you can then stick it inside the cowl, that way the cowl will be held more firmly to shape.
Mind you I wouldn't worry about the door on the insdie piece, as I cover the end of the bellows, so that when two coaches are coupled with the gangways touching, they can slide across each other when they go round curves. Mount the bellows on a bit of sponge rubber and allow them to move inside the cowl and they should then allow the gangways to move and not cause the coach to derail.
Andy G
Having a telescopic outer and sponge spring inner corridor connection was covered in Model Railways July-September 1973 articles on coach building in plasticard-simple and effective, particularly on tight cirves.
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Out of interest, are there any books about scratch building locos in styrene? Not that I'm thinking about doing one any time soon, but I'll be going on holiday in a few weeks, and I'm daydreaming about maybe scratch building or boding a D3 so I'll be after something to read.
It seems that three different D3s were stationed in Wainfleet for along time until Wainfleet's engine shed was closed. They were rotated every few days because they had to be regularly cleaned out; the water available was very poor. This was an issue across the area - Mablethorpe water was also a serious issue, Boston not quite so much, but hardly ideal. The D3s took over from a cavalcade of small locos, starting with smal 2-2-2T machines, used because of a lack of turning facilities, ending with the Small Hawthornes. The D3s were to be found all over Lincolnshire, with at least one shedded in Louth, and eight at one point in Boston.
I definitely want something easier after the Barnum, and this will be the station building and maybe a tourist stock carriage, but maybe I can start knocking together a passable D3 before the end of the year. I'm thinking of doing an Andy G and see if I can find an old chassis as a base. Even if that means compromises I'm not too worried about rounding errors if needs be. I think I'll avoid a brass kit as I think my brain is nearly full from the last few months of constant learning! :-O
Anyway, I have the relevant Yeadons on order as a birthday present (it's not happened yet, and if your in town on my birthday I'll buy you a drink - it's the least I can do!) and I'll have to have a search for a diagram somewhere.
Here's a photo of what I'm looking at:
There were various articles in old Railway Modellers based on building locomotives in styrene-especially in the sixties and seventies. Model Railways March 1972 has an extensive article on building an LNER J37, which would be useful for you
The Tyne dock Consett thread.
in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)
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Most interested to see some rebuilt hoppers in internal use at Lackenby-anyone know what happened to the rest?