mikepaling

RTJ asked what coaches ran on the S&D from nationalisation to closure in the topic to do with locos on the S&D. Bearing in mind the variety of stock and unusualhowever it seams appropriate for a thread of its own. I have started it off, however can others add other coaches and numbers. For example when ex GC, L&Y and LNWR stock ran over the line and what it was.

 

Local trains from Bath to Bristol - usually a GW B set or midland 2 set, The 7.01 departure had either a Maunsell or Bullied 3 set to get a set of coaches to Bristol for the 9.03 to Bournemouth.

 

Through services from Bristol to Bournemouth

 

Carter in Backtrack writes that in the early 1950's there were a dozen sets of LSWR coaches in use, each consisting on BTK+CK+BTK.

 

Set numbers in use were:

343 (last photo I have seen is 6th June 1953)

348 (last photo 30th May 1955)

349,402/4/5/6/415/417/420/421/

422 (last photo 14/5/55) -

 

These all had Pullman gangways and all were withdrawn by the end of 1955. These also had a strengthening coach added in the summer service, which was, in the early 50s a Midland design coach.

 

By 1950 Maunsell 59' sets start to appear, the first to be seen being 445-8 and then in 1953 sets 391-9 appear. By the mid 1950s those in the 445-8 left the S&D by about 1957 and sets 391/3 were withdrawn in 1958

 

Occasionally Collet and Hawksworth 3 coach sets were used on the 5.58am Bristol to Bournemouth. You would need to look at photos for specific coach numbers. It is reported a GW B (BE+BC) set ran on the Bath to Templecombe service after 1958

 

During the winter service of 1958 Bulleid 59' sets 963 to 972 started to appear as the earlier coaches were withdrawn. Later still southern sets comprising on Mk1 coaches also appeared (I do not have the set numbers to hand) - In 1960 these moved away due to needs elswhere and then returned in 1961 apart from 973, which was withdrawn. Several were withdrawn in 1963 and the remainder had moved elsewhere by Mid 1964.

 

From then till closure the Southern region supplied 2 series of 3 coach stock. One of L sets (64' Bulleid coaches) and K sets made up of Mk1 coaches.

 

K 534, 557, 572 and L sets 816, 851, 860.

 

I am sure others will be able to supply more information on the sets on the branch and through trains.

 

Hope this is usefull.

 

Duncan

 

For the southern coaches you would do well to consult the Oakwood press or OPC books on southern coaches for specific coach numbers. For modelling purposes you then also need to consider, especially with the 59' Bullied sets when you are looking at as fairly quickly in their time on the line they started to get strengthening ribs running vertically down the coaches.

Hi Duncan ....

Now that I am retired I have time to launch into long held desire to develop an N-Gauge layout based on the S&DJR :-)))

Problem is that I am getting VERY confused with the types of coaching stock that would have been used on the line between 1948 and it's closure :-((( Your list looks to be very comprehensive and I am very pleased that I have found your posting.

Are you able to tell me if you know if any of the coaching stock, that you have listed in your posting , are available in N-Gauge .... either current or discontinued???

Any suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Regards MIke

There is a published colour photo of one of the Maunsel sets in the 44x series on an S&D train in 1961 I think, hauled by a 2P at Broadstone.

 

Some of the Mk1 K sets used in 1964 actually comprised of 2 green Mk1 Brake 2nds sandwiching a Bullied Composite. Set 557 is the most identifiable of these, it's set number being visible in several pictures, but some of the other 3 coach 'hybrid' sets were also used, eg set 559. There are a number of published photos showing a train made up of 2 of these sets, and in one case at least, neither of which is set 557 if the caption's dates and times are correct, which they probably are as they are by Ivo Peters who didn't make many mistakes !

 

All these 3 coach sets can be put together from RTR coaches. The Maunsels in the set number range 390-399 are about to appear from Hornby (being sold as a numbered set, no 390 if their website is correct). The hybrid K sets can be made up from Bachmann coaches. If you fit flush glazing (from South Eastern Finecast) to the Bullied Composite, they look quite good ! .

Hi ... does anybody know what "N Gauge" carriages have been produced (current or past) that would have been used on the S&DJR?

I am trying to gather information ready for taking the plunge on a layout based on the S&D :-)))

Regards Mike

Regards Mike