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33 minutes ago, RonnieS said:

Down again (unless it's me?)

There’s a new topic on the current problems:
 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/177664-british-rail-database-valuable-resource-has-it-been-lost/

Just from the title, I wondered if the topic was about something designed by one of the inventor’s sons.

“As for 57566 working to Balla' I'm not sure? However, I thought would keep the running number and address a few of the Bachmann/Rails discrepancies.”

Almost certainly not. However, if you’re prepared to change the number, there is a prototype, 57571, and with the later emblem:

https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=57626

57587 was also allocated to Oban 1961-62. Again, with later emblem. (I think the picture is taken after withdrawal.)

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/product/image-library/1251

7 hours ago, John Tomlinson said:

I never really understood why they built the Clans, rather than another 10 Britannias which ought to have been cheaper and saved keeping extra parts. Unless there were some lines in Scotland that couldn't take the Britannia's weight?

There is a topic on here discussing the Britannias. It drifted (as happens!) to include discussion of exactly why the Clans were designed and built. The question was first asked in this post, and discussion followed:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/156580-br-“britannia”-standards/&do=findComment&comment=4050631

I remember building a 1/72 version of that almost 60 years ago - not to that standard, though!

(Very) minor point. Barnwood was 85E, then 85C. 85B was Horton Road. Takes nothing away from some great modelling.

“It is fair to say this locomotive is a beast, probably the largest 0-6-0 locomotives at the time.”

A mere flyweight! The G&SWR Drummond 279 class of 1913 was longer (just) but heavier (3 tons engine only, 12 tons engine plus tender).
 

Well done for persevering, and making such a nice job of it. You do realize, since you’ve done this, that Hornby will now introduce an RTR version to go with their J15?

Very useful information, Ray. Thanks for the effort of putting it all together, and for showing details of your modifications.

Some points about the shed codes on the models:

- 45116 with an early emblem should probably be 65B (St Rollox). It was there at least from Nationalisation to March 1957. The late crest was introduced in 1957 - I believe there’s discussion of the actual date elsewhere on here. It’s probable it would have carried the early emblem and a 26B (Agecroft) plate for a while after its transfer from St Rollox till its next repaint.

- 45156 with a 26A plate and the late crest is a correct combination. However, it was also a transfer from St Rollox (65B). It went to Newton Heath (26A) in April 1957. It had been at St Rollox at least from Nationalisation in 1948, so not always a Manchester area engine.

- 45157 was never shedded at 65A (Eastfield). It was a St Rollox (65B) engine all the way at least from Nationalisation to withdrawal at the end of 1962. It was the only one of the four named engines (five if you believe 45155 was ever named) that I didn’t see.

3 hours ago, peach james said:

Of course, some real stock has likely been deeper, in the form of narrow gauge mine stock...

My son, who is a mining engineer, says he’s ridden on a mine train at 1800 metres below surface in a gold mine in Northern Ontario.

25 minutes ago, toboldlygo said:

 

It was withdrawn on September 19th - however it could well of been seen after that as it was moved to Hellifield Shed in early November 1965.

 

It could have been seen somewhere else between when I saw it in Banbury shed on September 9 and when it was moved to Hellifield in November. However, I doubt if it could have been repaired after September9 (especially since we were told on that day that it was not going to be repaired), returned to the Southern Region, used on the S&D, then withdrawn on September 19.

2 hours ago, Quintus said:

34051 Winston Churchill must have been one of the last pacifics to work a regular service train over the S&D. They sent her up from Bournemouth as the booked class 4 had failed. Can't remember the date but certainly late 1965. I was a fireman at Templecombe at the time.

I’d have to ask “How late in 1965 was ‘late’?”. I’ve seen a couple of withdrawal dates for 34051 - 1965/09/19 and 10/1965. I saw it dead in Banbury shed on 1965/09/09. It had failed there, and shed staff told us they didn’t think it was going to be repaired and returned to service. I would say it couldn’t have been on the S&D any later than the first week in September 1965.

Iain, here's a picture of 44686 on the Llandudno Junction scrapline in April 1963, with an AWS reservoir on the footplate. I don't think it could have gone from newly-fitted with AWS (presumably at a works visit) to this state in just over 3 months, so I think you would be safe in saying that 44686 had AWS equipment during 1962.