mastanec

Howdy!

It's been a while I was here, been logged in only couple of weeks back thought I would reply but didnt' get around to it.

Unfortunately yes, the only way activate the tail lights at present is to solder the ribbons to the PCB, or ask a friend to solder on miniature connectors for you.

Not sure what was manufacturers motivation to do this, whether saving pennies, technological difficulties, combination of both or something else.

Either way, here's what's in the video but in text 

https://www-ambmodely-cz.translate.goog/instalace-osvetleni-u-modelu-714-020-5-cd-v-h0-od-mtb-model/t-157?_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

and some discussion on Czech forums in regards to this

https://diskuze-modely-biz.translate.goog/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14098&_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=cs&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

The sound is from Jacek-modely. I don't think at present anyone else makes suitable sound. 

You're welcome Simon.

@Everyone the site http://www.prototypy.cz/?ukaz=popisy is now back online, with detailed background, description, technical details and tons pf pics of various Czech locos (mostly electrics and diesels) .

On 29/10/2021 at 17:47, SimonBoulton said:

Whilst searching for some pics to illustrate the colour schemes I was referring to, I think I might have answered the specific one. It’s not a great pic but does illustrate the alternative light grey and red colour scheme was in use in 1969

That paint scheme was used for T478.1 008-030 (the 2 prototypes and other 6 locos were the round ones)

Quick google translate from http://spz.logout.cz/vozidla/751/751.php

The locomotives were already provided with interesting coatings during production. With another production series usually came with a change in color scheme. A brown-yellow paint (brown roof and frame, yellow side panels with white blinds) with red protective plows and black-red bumpers was designed for both prototypes. During production, the paint of the first prototype was changed to a red and white combination (roof and upper part of the sidewall red, cab and lower part of the sidewall white), the chassis, tank and frame were dark gray. Due to the fact that the drawing was not preserved for this coating, it is not possible to unambiguously determine whether it was white.

At the trade fair in Brno in 1965, T 478.1002 was presented in a new blue - and - white paint with red accessories (roof and strip above the frame - Paris blue, upper part of the sidewall and frame - signal blue), the tank and chassis were gray - blue. The hydraulic locomotive T 478.2001 was painted similarly and the same coating was also intended for the verification series. However, the locomotives of the verification series eventually left the production plant in a coating derived from T 478.1001 (roof and upper part of the sidewall including the cab, protective plows - light red, lower part of the sidewall and cab - light gray, bottom - dark gray).

A polyurethane coatings was experimentally used on these locomotives, which was to be applied to the first fifteen series locomotives. However, due to their difficult workability and unavailability, quick-drying synthetic enamels continued to be used for coatings. Serial locomotives were painted in a combination of light red and light gray. The first 23 locomotives had a light red roof and the lower side, cab and upper side were light gray. '

Starting with T 478.1031, the paint changed to a light red roof (without the part above the cab) and the upper part of the side panel, the cab and the lower part of the side panel were light gray. With the production of the second series came the expansion of light red to the entire roof, the rest of the paint remained the same as the locomotives T 478.1031-092. This coating was also transferred to the third series of locomotives, including T 478.2 machines. The frame, bogies and tank of all production locomotives were dark gray, only the protective plow was light red. There were red stars on the fronts of all locomotives, only the T 478.1002 in blue and white had a white star.

Decree FMD 6.17 / 76-12 of 19 January 1976 introduced a unified coating for vehicles, for locomotives with a predominance of cherry red. Due to the poor visibility of the locomotives, this coating was supplemented by Supplement No. 1 FMD 6.385 / 1982-012 of 25 January 1982 with a 300 mm wide yellow stripe on the front of the cab, just above the main frame.

According to the FMD 19.464 / 87-12 decree, a new color solution enters into force from 1.1.1988, while the original color distribution according to the type of locomotive remains, a 600 mm wide yellow stripe is added around the entire locomotive box (at T 478.1.2 the lower edge of stripe 610 mm above the lower edge of the main frame). The main frame is red, the chassis, tank and roof are brown-gray. After 1990, locomotives are painted in various color combinations. In LD Jihlava, the locomotives are experimentally painted with a newly considered unified paint in the color combination of the Czech tricolor (red-blue roof, sidewalls and cabins, complete with a white stripe on the front, the bottom is gray), Olomouc and Šumperk locomotives have variegated paint in various combinations.

In this pic from the 90es there are the factory color schemes, depot Prague-Vrsovice:

From the right

T478.1 002, 003, 001, 011 (or 015 or 017). not sure of the other 2, could be any really.

http://www.strojvedouciplzen.cz/index.php?page=galerie&id=4188

Some other links:

http://www.atlaslokomotiv.net/loko-751.html

http://www.strojvedouciplzen.cz/index.php?page=menu&id=191

http://www.parostroj.net/vozidla/T478/T478.htm

http://www.parostroj.net/vozidla/T478/T478a.htm

Loads of life coming together at your layout Ian.

I like it very much!

Ian, not to worry about a section of concrete sleepred track not being there...

Was back home in CZ in July - sorry no railway photos or experience folks (apart from massive hangover on train across half the republic to Poland :D:D ) - and seen a section of concrete sleepered track being replaced with wood!!!

As to surfing, you can always say they're on their way to visit there friends in Donegal, Ireland

BR

M

Tak tohle je fakt dobry Ian! [This is really good Ian!]

having a home feeling from your layout

BR

Marian

Hello all,

a small bump, not as much progress as much I would like but hey at least something.

I made considerable progress on my take on 742 from brass etch and tried a T211 (pics in Neil's topic), as small the T211 is the 742 was easier to put together as everything is straight. Front grille on T211 needs adjustment.

As for my postal coach, I just reimaged my computer, installed all sw again and will be drawing up some windows to cut out by one of rmweb's members here

Next etch up: Postw/Fa by modely masinek, image courtesy of ZM Lhota

to Taigatrommel:

That color match is actually great, halfords you say? Must give em try after all the humbrolls , revells vallejos and I do not know what trying to match that color

BR

Marian

Very nice sir, lloks closer to the real thing than my own from etch.

The pics are terifying I know, I gave it a rub with bathroom cleaning sand and it looks much better, haven't soldered anything in ages.

No. 2 is coming soon and No3 from different manufacturer as well.

BR

Marian

edit: replaced pic 1 for not so dirty loco

A slight move away from architecture this time but I need some glazing for a couple of Heljan class 47 bodies I picked from Telford a couple of years ago for a good price.

 

Not fixed yet, just placed in position to test fit.

 

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With protective film on the left and my fingers prints on the right

 

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The glazing is lasercut too is it? Thanks for the pic, I'm gotta have to try this out, as I will need some glazing for my wagons and was thinking about lasercut, just any of the online services did not really show how does it look.

Great job on the buildings too!

BR

Marian

Awesome work Ian,

My gf keeps asking me where will we go for holiday, UK it is in 6 months then

BR

Marian

Sir I am monitoring your progress and must say this is some serious modelling here, thumbs up!

Edit: I hope you will not mind that I have shared your work on one Czech forum:

http://diskuze.modely.biz/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9107

"my hovercraft is full of eels"

 

Ahahahahahahahah, must watch more MP

The problem in general is the language barrier.
Otherwise there are few rare cases where the products are overpriced, not shipped on time or at all, and these are often products no one else offers.

PM please if you want to know more

Such a shame, foreigners go to CZ more often than I do! And when I go I do not have time to do train things

Looking forward to pics, please do let me know if you will have your way to railway museum Luzna u Rakovnika

pojezdy.eu > Mr. Pohorely speaks English and his attitude towards customers is excellent, also his eshop speaks multiple languages, stock that is not stocked is usually no problem to order

modely.biz > Mr. Dalecky speaks English as far I know, eshop speaks only Czech, if google translate is not letting direct page translate then copy paste may be an option, has a lot of products stocked.

For today, I bring you windows.

 

csd 10.jpg

 

csd 11.jpg

WOW!

Don't forget to bring the chassis to lower edge of the axle boxes, see Eddie's pic:

703 036-4

 

I've made up the Hekttor one in TTe, though not completely finished as yet. There's also a resin body as well, my HOe version is that one.

Oh I forgot the resin casts

Hey folks,

I am still amazed to see how popular Czech modeling is becoming outside of CZ, I dunno how elsewhere but here on RM web for sure

Both prototypes have not lived past 1989, in regards to US/UK > UNRA stuff on Czechoslovak tracks very few, mostly what was left there after war until 1948, when the regime started any import of anything from "non friendly" countries was rather limited.

The old PIKO/Guetzold model was the prototype for the T211 series, this prototype had a larger drivers cab. The model was very good for that time, had one myself, although could not use it when family watched TV as I've taken out the filter coils and it become an effective TV jammer.

Model:

T211: http://hekttor.biz/index.php?lng=CZE&m=1&act=kaho&kat=1&kod=87019 12GBP less post!!!

Build pics http://galerie.hekttor.biz/thumbnails.php?album=41&page=1

or: http://www.dk-model.cz/web/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=253&category_id=27&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&lang=cs

Power: http://www.pojezdypg.cz/index.php?id=stavebnice-pojezdu-t2110-h0 otherwise self made or Bullant, there are many motors that would fit into the narrow and low space, the loco won't have much pull either as the real thing, they were originally designed to pull 1 - 3 cars to replace human or animal power on mid to large companies sidings.

704: http://www.lepty.cz/petr/eshop/1-1-HO/3-2-Motorove-lokomotivy/5/1987-Motorova-lokomotiva-704-0xx-x-HO-stavebnice 17GBP, unmotorised here: http://www.lepty.cz/petr/eshop/1-1-HO/3-2-Motorove-lokomotivy/5/1994-Motorova-lokomotiva-704-402-7-HO-maketa

I have somewhere front view drawing. Good luck with your built Neil!

T 211.0001 Foto ÚDI, collection: Jaroslav Wagner, source: dopravniliteratura.cz

@ EddieB: nice collection of pics

BR and PF 2015

Marian

Marian

 

That looks really usefull.

I will have a persual this evening when I get home.

Do you know who makes HO scale signals like the ones used at Dobris?

I did see some second hand ones that looked very similar on a stand at a show recently but forgot to go back and buy them.

 

Thanks

 

Ian

No problem Ian.

Here, ex. products of MTB before they moved to making locos: http://www.navestidla.cz/nase-produkty/navestidla/ pictures: http://www.modely.biz/modelova-zeleznice-2/svetelna/?producer=144

and here if you feel like building them yourself http://malina.byl.cz/azd70/navestidla.html this fella is a little slow in getting back tho...

With no more shows till January, attention will now turn to this layout in order to have it ready for Eurotrack next February.

 

Theres plenty to do but hopefully the remainder of the wiring will be completed this week.

 

A few photos of the signals:

 

This is taken looking towards the bufferstops showing the two signals controlling moves in that direction so not quite sure how they work in this situation - tall ground signals??. They are showing red although I though that I saw blue lenses.

Dobris2013 (60).JPG     - Red + White: this is a path signal, not shunting, hence the red white striping. Lights: Red > prohibits the vehicle proceed further, there is no need for green/yellow as the line ends, but red must be. White > allows shunting behind the signal.

 

And finally the two at the station thorat. First time that I have notices a 4 aspect signal on such a rural signle track branchline but it could be different to our 4 aspect ones. I need to understand how Czech signalling works.

Dobris2013 (99).JPG - at track number 1 three aspect signal Red + Green + White :  green > as Stationmaster said, green allows continuing or departure at maximum/given speed, where if needed this could be reduced by following signal for next line section or station so no yellow to signal warning here. Red > stop, White > again shunting

the 4 aspect signal > Yellow+Red+Green+White > yellow signals speed 40km/h (or a little higher on long turnouts) as the train will be leaving the station over the curve of the turnout (not straight), in this case the yellow would be accompanied by Green at the same time where the context of the signal would mean: "reduced speed 40km/h, over curved track of turnout, then line/given speed where the train starts speeding up to line speed upon the last car of the train leaves the curved part of the turnout.

I suspect the two lens signals are absolute stop signals which when cleared authorise a movement to proceed for shunting purposes only.  They would normally show red above blue but when cleared for a shunting movement they would show red above white  - the only thing which is foxing me is that according to my (French source) information the coloured section at the front of the post should also include a small green section as well as red & white but that might well be something which has been simplified since my source was published in 1997.

 

The signals in the opposite direction consist of green above red above yellow signal heads and are basically speed signal.  Red means stop - that's the easy bit, green on its own means run at line speed, and yellow on its own means  the next stop signal is showing red - i.e. more or less exactly teh same as UK practice.  I can't see any sort of facing points in advance of teh signals but if there were then green over yellow would mean a turnout speed of 40kph.

 

Hope that helps a bit.

Hi Ian,

It would be as Stationmaster said. Only that we have not inherited the French system entirely and there are some differences. the striping on the pole would not contain blue an green, this is not used in CZ. You may see a special shunting signal, that is rarely used where along blue and white (blue is essentially like red > stop shunting) would be accompanied by red.

More here, looking at it, google translate is getting better day by day:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvlaky.bestsite.cz%2Fzeleznice%2Fvyvoj-navestidel-csd-cast-ii-1939-1960-2-2.htm

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvlaky.bestsite.cz%2Fzeleznice%2Fvyvoj-navestidel-csd-cast-iii-1960-1990-2-3.htm

I have some copies of the signaling guidelines (aprox. 1970 - 1980 and 2000) so if there would be interest I can translate relevant sections that are representable in model.

BR

Marian

Dave, platforms: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fparostroj.net%2Fmodely%2Fstanice%2Fnastupiste.htm

It really depends what era have you set to model and also whether your station is on main/or branch line. from what I am looking at in  your pics you could have 30 cm high concrete platform or loose balast at the first track close to station building and 50 cm high or higher platform in the middle where the track axis distance is greater (see article above). I will try to find schema for the higher platform somewhere.

Looking forward to see some progress

Hello ladies and gentlemen,

today 25 years ago it was the first day of Velvet revolution and the beginning of changes and the fall of socialistic regime in former Czechoslovakia.


 

Again a small progress on Marian's Czechoslovak Railways, going postal this time, we will have look at my attempt on a Y type postal coach class DmPost,

made from polyurethane cast by Pavel Ciz, some of his master models date back to times from photos above, anyways there has been an awful lot of work on body of the coach to get its sides at least a bit straight and less wavey, middle pic shows layers of filler and base paint, some surface detail succumbed the process and I had to re-add it, this will include photo etched window frames as seen in  the last pic. Chassis and frame will be from an old sacsenmodelle coach.

BR

Marian

Marian,

Please don't infer that anybody here thinks of the Czech republic as a third world country.  We don't.  If we did, why would so many of us drive Skodas these days? ;-)

The approach to safety is different, but not the end result.  I've never felt unsafe travelling around the Czech Republic.  Far from it.  I love the pragmatism of the Czechs.  :-)  In this conversation "different "doesn't mean "wrong" or "inferior", just "different".

Czech food is great, Czech beer is even better, but it's different to ours.  Part of the fun of travelling is to experience those differences. :-)

Noo gents, no offence intended! I was just messing!

I know you're favs of Skoda, anyone seen Rapid from 1984?

Simon

 

I plan to spray it first with Humbrol acrylic primer to seal the card then use Humbrol enamels to mix up the correct shade of faded cream / pink. I was under the impression that enamel did not take well to acrylic but on a few occasions I have done this and the paint has been fine. I will do a test on a piece of scrap card first.

 

I managed to do some more of the raised panels this morning. I have assembled the window openings differently to the kit as there isn't the same ornate surround on Dobris nor the stucco lender bands. As to whether the building originally had these I am unsure.

 

Ian

Interesting subject its good to see a european  layout and all the different operations etc ,how do they get away with a platform of ballast no HSE then? Like the locomotives and wagons etc how frequent is the actual service on the real thing and what actual locos run?The track looks great and the ballast is excellent keep up the posts please .

Hello gents,

Ian - enamel can be applied on top of acrylic, it would not work so wel the other way around, acrylic would eat into the enamel and damage it, it would start peeling off.

Imsforever - no HST on branch lines, mainlines where fast trains and HSTs  are in service have concrete platforms. Where there is a ballast platform on mainline station the speed would be reduced.

Both: safety is not so different to nowadays UK lads we are no 3rd world country, and the bolshevik is gone too

BR

Marian

Its coming nicely together Rob!

Thanks guys,

progress:

still needs a number table which its on its way and to complete the chassis