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Found it!

Folks,

Found this whilst updating a drawing I started some time ago of Dumfries panel. Will see if I can locate date the oil sidings went live. Meantime I thought this might be of interest re Maxwelltown

I have a lot of info on G&SWR signalling so if you want anything in that regard to help with your project drop me a line.

R

Many thanks Butler. I always look at magazines for ScR content....but I missed that.

Much appreciated!

R

The latest October RB magazine has an article on Burghead Line Pt.2. But when was Pt.1 published? Can't see it show as being in September issue? 

2 hours ago, Halton Boy said:

Yes you can, I've done it myself. If you have an M1 track and signalling diagram and if you know the regional style for diagrams you can produce a good representation of what the signal box diagram would have looked like. If your thinking about a Scottish diagram I can assist. if outside Scotland I'm sure there are others here who can assist.

 

Hello everyone

I have had some very good information from Robert.

I will look at Penicuik, Aberfeldy and Framlingham branch line stations with a view to making a model railway.

It all depends how much space I have when I have moved. When my present job is finished I will be moving to take up a new job.

 

I am going to start a new topic in signalling & infrastructure:

Can you produce a signal box diagram when you only have a layout plan and no photo's?

On 24/01/2023 at 18:13, 5BarVT said:

Staying off topic (Sorry): the last place I saw a token exchanged on the move.  The driver was stationary and the signalman (then) cycled past on the bike collecting it on his arm as he went.

Paul.

Here's an action shot of cycling signaller.

Belay that message....its gone

I know this may not be write place to ask but when I try to go into private messages the message content is hidden behind an advertising video I cant get rid off....help?

HB Drop me a private email as I have further information on Penicuik I can send.

A King Lever general is used to 'over-ride' the locking that normally prevents two trains being signalled towards each other on a single line. If a  box is 'switched out' i.e. closed at night due to low traffic, the king lever is used to allow the points and signals to be set to allow traffic to pass through either way safely. There were a number of lines in Scotland where this was used with special arrangements for the single line block instruments to allow it.

Here's Penicuik M1

Halton Boy will see what I have for Penicuik :-)

For those interest i attach the M2

Folks,

Aberfeldy had a dual-system where normal operation would be Train Staff but at times of more traffic a tablet could be used. See BoT Extract:

MT29/95        Aberfeldy

'Oct.15, 1946 – Mount reported that in 1938, the LMS decided that the Branch originally worked by tablet could be made to operate train staff with one engine in steam most of the year. Arrangements to introduce the train staff vice the tablet by inserting a king lever at Aberfeldy, which had fixed to it a train staff in shape of an Annett’s Key lock attached to the King Lever No.13, which normally stood pulled. This lever could then be restored to the midway position which allowed the Up and Down running signals to be replaced to normal (danger). Thereafter the King Lever could be fully replaced, removing the back locks from Nos.4 & 10, which could then be placed normal. At the same time replacement of the King Lever to normal permitted the section tablet to be withdrawn from the mechanical control instrument behind the King Lever while the train staff became locked in the King Lever lock. This control instrument was of McKenzie & Holland design, adapted to work in conjunction with the King Lever. When the tablet was locked in the control instrument, the block instruments were out of phase at Aberfeldy and Ballinluig. The main Ground Frame at Aberfeldy had 13 working levers and was controlled by an Annett’s Key.  Another 2-lever Ground Frame worked the Platform run round crossover. There was a 4-lever Ground Frame at the Aberfeldy Distillery and similar 4-lever Ground Frame at Grandtully, both controlled by either train staff or tablet whichever was in use.'

I'm going to attach a couple of drawings of mine showing detail. Note the drawing earlier in thread is an M1 track & signalling NOT an M5 signal box diagram. I attach both.

Aberfeldy-M1-1934-Rev.2-rot.pdf Aberfeldy-M5-1947-Rev.0-rot.pdf

If you send me a message with your email I can send you original signalling scheme plan, etc.

R

Folks can I post an inquiry re the Scottish Region perspective:

My question simply "Is there any evidence of this type of ex-SR wagon travelling as far North as the Geest banana ripening plant in Scotland's former banana capital at Plains by Airdrie"? Cannot find any photos online of banana traffic in those ex-SR wagons in Scotland. Geest had a very specialist temperature-controlled building linked to the railway line at Plains, where trainloads of bananas were brought directly from the docks and then ripened to suit customer demand. The location of the Geest ripening plant offered excellent rail links in all directions as well as being very convenient for the main centres of banana consumption in Scotland. The building still stands adjacent to the now electrified main running lines although it is currently disconnected from the rail network and now serves as a timber business (Rowan Manufacturing). There is evidence of some of the Geest banana traffic running from the docks at Preston by rail to Plains but as to the wagon type that appears a mystery? For a Scottish themed layout would the ex-SR Accurascale wagons be more appropriate than the ex-LNER Oxford models for the 1960's period?

Thanks

Marc, one of my friends in the Fort has taken some photos around distillery for you. Too big to post/email but if you send me your email address I'll We-Transfer to you.

Robert

Mark I have a railway pal in 'the Fort'. I'll see if he can help.

best wishes,

Robert

Rick,

Worth persevering with CAD, as as with the M5 and M1 drawings I produce with it, with your M2 you quickly built up  a library of standard parts for future drawings and its very easy to move parts around within drawing.

best wishes,

Robert

Hi Rick,

Interesting discussion. I can supply signalling information on Dunkeld, including locking diagram, also copy of the ScR TB Regs. If of interest drop me a PE.

Robert

Folks I thought I'd post this as it has very good detail for modelling.

best wishes,

Robert

From the days when there was more to see...

On 08/08/2020 at 13:53, Caley Jim said:

That's a much later diagram than the one I was familiar with.   As I said, the gates were operated from the box with the last three levers on the right of the frame (21,22 &23?), painted brown, being for the gate stops and the wicket lock,  There was also an up starter (14) which again had splitting distants on it.

 

The 'Down Sidings' were in fact a loop from just to the north of Glenboig station, entry being controlled by Garnqueen NJ.

 

Jim

Hi Jim,

Here's a diagram from gate era.

best wishes,

Robert

10 hours ago, Caley Jim said:

No, sorry, that's the up home, with Garnqueen N Jct's outer splitting distants, and the Greenfoot down home in the background.  The box is hidden behind the trees on the left.

 

The down distant was waaaay down the hill in the background.   It was lever 5, locked by 6 & 7.  There was a repeater on the wall behind it which would be showing 'off', but when you looked down the line the signal was neither one thing nor the other.  Some drivers must have come round the curve at Ganqueen, either off the Coatbridge, or the Buchanan Street line, to see that signal waggling up and down as if it was waving at them, as we tried to get it 'off'!

 

Jim

 

Aye Jim but thought the 'splitters' nice to share.

23 hours ago, Caley Jim said:

None left around here, apart from Biggar which I believe is now occupied by an architect's office.

 

I spent my youth in Greenfoot box.  problem signal there was the down distant, nearly a mile away on Garnqueen North Junction's starter.  On a warm day it was a devil to get it to go properly 'off'.  It also had the level crossing gates, operated by a big wheel. They could be awkward depending on how the wind was blowing.

 

Jim