KTM

Hi Brakecoach.

Yes, I'm a fan of Lego trains and have enjoyed building 7-wide engines, coaches and wagons like yourself.

There are some brilliant builders out there with realistic models and some of these have been enhanced with non-Lego parts (not my preference).  Some of the Lego train clubs have put on displays at traditional model railway shows and these have been very popular in the UK.

Jon

Great to see more Lego trains appearing on RM Web.  I think the subject puts a lot of railway modellers off, thinking it is a toy for junior modellers and whilst that is true, there are plenty of extremely skilled adult modellers out there using Lego as a medium.  I'm a member of a Lego train club and many of our menders exhibit at conventional model railway shows.  These universally go down well with the public and one chap has built a replica block signalling system that the public can operate, complete with working semaphores and instruments.

Once you get into the really detailed side of it, with 7 or 8 wide models, the cost escalates closer to RTR O-gauge, though.  I have built models of Class 08s with built-in remote uncoupling devices, a tube train  and class 37 with working lights, double motored etc. and A4 Pacifics with working firebox glow, to name a few.  With one exception these are 100% Lego (my exception is the custom wheel size for steam locos, others diversify further into the non-Lego world).  The control systems changed over the years but that does provide flexibility; one can run express trains on the old 9v system (metal track) whilst also using the latest 'Powered Up' battery driven locos on the same track.  This isn't DCC as such but it does provide some of the advantages of DCC,

The elements are robust enough to be used as a train set on the floor if required which enables temporary and varied layouts that can more easily be accommodated in the home. 

So, you see, it is a very interesting area of railway modelling that provides creative and mathematical challenges whilst appealing to those of us who prefer larger scale models but don't neccessarily have the space for a permanent O gauge layout.  It's also a lot of fun and crashes are a joy rather than a disaster!

Jon

I've been really inspired by the introduction of TT120 by Hornby and joined the club prior to the end of January to avail of the 15% discount etc.  I'd like to dip my toe in the water and try The Easterner set but every time I've looked on their website, it's listed for pre-orders only.  I'm not inclined to place an order when the delivery date is unknown and, unfortunately, it looks like more 'unknowns' apply to other announced models such as the 08.  Either the sales have taken Hornby by surprise or its case that manufacturing has been delayed by factors we are resigned to these days with products reliant on Far-East production.  All I want to do is try a set and see how I get on with it...but on their website there is no indication of when the next batch may be delivered!  A date by when the next batch is available (even an approximation) would be more useful than a simple 'available to pre-order' note.

From what I've seen so far, the models look superb and I think Hornby have read the Market well

Jon.    

4 hours ago, Pete 75C said:

 

 

Edit: Oh, and for those that know me, spot the Lego!

 

The 'cheese' pieces, 1x1, either side off the planks in between the rails?

I'm am a big Lego fan, although have backed off in recent years.  I was one of the founder members of the Brickish Association (a club for 'Adult Fans of Lego') back in 2002 but was really into the trains more than the overall Lego thing.  There is some excellent work out there using Lego as an artistic medium to create reasonable O-gauge-ish models.

Jon

On 25/12/2019 at 18:58, PSi said:

 

Photographs - yes - alas no links to good ones, I'm afraid.

 

These were taken on my first ever visit to National Model Railway Exhibition at Central hall Westminster. The year was 1978,

 

 

 

 

 

pekka

Wow! I was there that year.  It was my first visit and I think my first model railway exhibition, accompanied by my dad. I remember this layout well, along with a lovely big O gauge live steam oval and there Lyoncross colliery layout, also in O gauge.

Thanks for the memory!

Jon

On 24/09/2019 at 20:32, Thefatcontroller said:

More progress

Impressive detail within what appears to be a restricted depth.  Are the baseboards 400mm wide?

Jon.

Hi Jon,

 

Any chance of some close up photos, underframes and bogies too, please?

 

How much are they each-are they only available via a duel source outlet?

 

Also, you mention the phrase; 'rivet counter', how would you define such relative to these coaches?

 

Thanks in anticipation,

 

CME

Hi  CME. As it happens, I had packed the coaches away before I read your post but will take a couple of photos next time I have them to hand. The price is £189 each or (I think) £750 for a set of 4.

With regards to my 'rivet counter' comment, I'm not qualified to answer that without carrying out an in-depth study of every single detail of the prototype. I'll leave that to others. For me, based on the MK1s I have seen on the Bluebell line and in other photos, these are an accurate representation in 7mm scale and I'm happy to handle them and run them on my layout - when it eventually gets built! I don't worry if my 1960s model coach should have had a different type of step at the end or if the side curvature radius is 5% out etc. As it happens, I'm running them in a 2-car set so that blows away any perfectionism I may strive for with the minute details anyway 

Jon

I purchased a BSK and a CK in Southern (BR) green at the Bristol show yesterday. I am well impressed, but maybe my motives are different from the rivet counters.

Firstly, these coaches offer great VFM. As a comparison, they are just over three times the price of a typical Hornby OO gauge Pullman with lights etc. which are pretty much 'spec equivalent' and that's ignoring the market economies of a much larger production run.

Secondly, I like the way they are built. The coach feels robust to handle (important to me) and uses a wise combination of metal and plastic construction to suit the individual parts. The coaches, therefore have a lovely heavy feel yet incorporate the detail that satisfies me.

For my modelling needs, I will be happy enough to just apply the transfers, some seated figures and perhaps some light weathering. They are a perfect compromise and if there are experts out there who can highlight any historical inaccuracies on mine, please do so as I do value your expertise. In the meantime and afterwards, I'll be using them on my layout and enjoying them.

Usual disclaimer: I have no connection with Darstead, have never bought any of their products before this but really appreciate their no-nonsense approach to finescale O gauge at an affordable price.

Jon

I was amazed at the almost imperceptible join between the two baseboards on Arun Quay. It's a fab model, beautifully atmospheric and packed with features.

I had to look twice after asking if it was all in one large unit!

Jon

It is fairly clear from the plan view of the short radius points on the Tower website that the rails beyond the crossing can be cut to length, so the track spacing will be adjustable to taste. The points will be considerable space savers if used in 'ladders' in freight sidings and other shunting applications.

 

http://www.tower-models.com/towermodels/ogauge/peco/track/setrackpt.jpg

 

Dava

Based on that plan, a 'cut and shut' crossover with 80mm track centres would be very roughly 26" long. It would be the same distance to the straight part of a parallel siding, (give or take a little for any slightly wider spacing) if using a setrack curve, of course. More importantly, the distance from the toe to the stock fouling point would be less than this and that is the measurement to consider when calculating the length reduction for fiddle yards etc.  

For some of us, saving just 2" to 3" here and there enables another wagon to be added to the train

...but we're still waiting, Peco.

Jon

This is a great thread to follow and I'm picking up a lot of tips for my own build. Thanks!

Jon

Interesting thread. I've been entertained by layout planning ever since I discovered what it was (Freezer, RM in the 1970s).

It is true by measurement that many of his 1960s/70s plans were based on super-tight 1st radius (<15") curves AND 1st radius points ala Hornby Dublo. Even changing to the later Rovex/Hornby Railways 2nd radius 'entry level' points would preclude these plans ever fitting the space they were drawn to but still, I love the thought and design that went into the multi-station designs.

Back in my yoof, I devised a whole railway system and built it on the floor in the bay window area of my parent's 1920s semi. This included Waterloo station and the Hounslow loop,  with the triangle junction off to Feltham yard. Other stations modelled (generally by a single platform on a single line) were Barnes Bridge, Whitton and Hounslow. Perhaps the most enthusiastic example of 'selective compression' was Clapham junction represented by nothing more than a Hornby curved point! This was very much a temporary set-up but it provided endless hours of fun and a real prototypical service could be run with ridiculously short trains on my 1st radius curves.

Generally speaking, railway modelling has moved towards visual realism which is wonderful however I do think we are missing out on the fun of running a railway. Those  Hornby O gauge or Hornby Dublo 'retro' layouts you sometimes see at shows attract quite a crowd... 

Jon

Due to a possible change of location for my railway, I'll be needing at least half a circle to connect the station to the fiddle yard on the other side of the loft. I can only imagine it working with transition curves of flexi at each end and even then, I'd be wary of propelling the short stuff!

Jon

Um...I think you are still in OO mode (I'm guilty of that too). The 40.5" is the radius, not the diameter.

Jon

A R-T-R brake van is already available from Dapol (SR/BR). Either that or the one sitting in it's box in my office is a figment of my imagination

Jon

So, does this mean we are closer to seeing the Peco Setrack points for sale in the UK?

Jon

Agree with Cantongoat.

 I have two of the Dapol tanks and I'm not going too lose sleep over any 'faults'. Life is short and I intend to enjoy using them on my slow-progress layout!

I don't have the time, the skill or the patience to be so obsessive in one hobby but if others wish to do so, that's fine. Personally, I can enjoy the Dapol tanker for what it is and I hope others are not discouraged from doing the same.  

Jon

I wonder what motorists and pedestrians should be aiming for then? Sloppy sensationalist reporting yet again.

 

Mike.

A good point, Mike. If we all individually tried to live with the aim of zero injuries, then nothing would ever get done. I'm going to be blasted from a height for suggesting this but we have to accept a level of injuries and deaths on the roads and railways if we want to enjoy the freedom of travelling that we currently have. 

Jon

I've only recently discovered this layout (Tower Pier).

http://www.hadleightemple.org.uk/CorpsNews/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/BRM-Mar12-Tower-Pier-A4e.pdf

This is very inspirational and despite it's relatively modest size, it packs in a lot of operation. I especially like the way it can be operated like a real railway, with proper signalling and levers etc.

If I can manage to incorporate a similar operation and general flavour in my O gauge layout , I'll be a happy man

Jon

Unfortunately any 'off the shelf' system is going to be a compromise and will never cost-effectively cover all the options available when using something like Templot to cover all angles for perfectly smooth looking trackwork.

 

But then how many modern image modellers still use bullhead rail, for example, instead of FB and Pandrol clips on concrete sleepers?

 

Peco's O gauge range, for example, left right and Y are available in FB rail as well as flexi, but the curved points and slips aren't - and then they wonder why BH sells much more than FB.

I've always liked the look of BH rail from my OO days, if only because it makes the track appear 'finer' which could be considered neccessary with 16.5mm gauge..

Of course, if you want to model FB you have to use FB. Even in O gauge, I've decided not to worry about that kind of detail as long as my track looks 'right'.

Jon

Of course, this is the general station and a night, to make it worse!

I wonder if it's the earliest surviving video footage of Hounslow station? I certainly can't recall a photo booth on the platform back then. I'm looking forward to your next update, by the way.

Jon

Well, I never knew this until tonight but the first few seconds of this video will provide much modelling information for the station!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV7Ufxmmc4U

Jon

This topic has generated a lot of interest.

For me, there are three that stand out.

1. From the 70s - a Shelf layout called 'Howley Town'. This featured in RM over about 3 issues (April-June??) in 1976 and I was really taken by the realism within the narrow boards (about 10.5" in OO gauge, equating to my 18" in O). I want to include simialr items such as the station canopy in my layout 37 years on!

2. The Minories track plan has inspired many layouts and represents intensive operation is a small space, which I want to include in my layout.

3. Bradfield. I've read the description, seen the pics and the video. What a fantastic layout! If I can capture just some of the realistic train movements in my layout, I'll be well happy!

Jon

I'll be watching this one woth great interest, Ray.

Back in the late 70s/early 80s, I used to take the train to School (Hounslow-Iselworth or Syon Lane) and spent many a morning on the platform with like-minded mates, wondering about the old goods yard. The bay platform was still there but the track may have been partially lifted at the time.

I've wondered about a model of the entire station but even compressed and in 4mm scale (with 4ft platforms), you would need a bit of length if you want the approach pointwork to the yard and the sidings at the western end (past the Whitton Road bridge). It could be done as part of a large continuous layout because the track does curve to the South once you leave the station. There are handy road bridges (one to the East, two to the West) for scenic breaks too. 

In my teens I actually built a heavily compressed version of the entire Hounslow loop, complete with the triangle junction to Feltham! It was hardly realistic with 15" curves laid onto the carpet but it was great fun to operate 'Express' trains out of Waterloo.

Jon

i used to go to the saturday matinee in the regal

Haha me too. Remember the organ player? It's amazing how kids were just left in by themselves and I don't recall any seriously bad behaviour.

Jon