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10 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

The service that I was on started at Liverpool Street and was corridor stock.

10 hours ago, Bucoops said:

 

Presumably it was an express service later replaced with the class 309s?

 

The main part goes to Clacton with a small portion split to go to Walton, presumably with a "local" loco for the portion. 

 

 

8 hours ago, PaulG said:

Correct, in 1958 the Carriage Working Diagram shows Liverpool Street to Clacton/Walton typically 8 carriages, last three being detached for Walton, front five continuing to Clacton. BSK (4), SK (8)*, SK (8)*, FK (6)*, RB, TSO*, CK (4-3)*, BCK (2-3)*. * =MK1. Note even as late as 1958 on such workings,  still with pre-nationlisation stock.

 

Paul

The service you are talking about is the Clacton interval service which ran each our from Liverpool st usually at 36min past the hour.

I asked a similar question on the LNER forum a few years back and got this response for winter 1954

Likely locos would have been B17s or Thompson B2s  with an N7 running the Walton portion from Thorpe-le-soken, prior to 1953 B12s and F5s from Thorpe would be more likely.

 here is the formation for the 10.36 am from Liverpool Street in Winter 1954-5:

Clacton:
BTK - 4 compartments
TK - Thompson
TTO - Mark I
FK - Thompson
RB
TK - 8 compartments (not Saturdays)

Walton:
2 TK - Thompson
BFK - 5 compartments

The 3.36 pm was listed as:

Clacton:
BTK 4 compartments
TK 7 compartments
TK Thompson
FK Thompson
RB

Walton:
CK Thompson
TK 7 compartments
BCK 2 first 3 third compartments

10 hours ago, Bucoops said:

 

Hi Paul, I don't suppose you have any info on workings during LNER days? 1939 specificially, but anything around then? Seems very hard to find

I am basing my layout on the line between Colchester and Clacton in the early 1950s, From the photos I have seen prior to WWII D13s, Clauds and B12s were the order of the day. There is some footage I have seen of children (including my Grandmother) being evacuated from Clacton by train in early WWII I will see if I can find it.

I think traffic on the line was more limited in the 30s compared to the 50s as part of it was only doubled during the war.

In regard to the N7s they are a great  R-T-R addition for this line because as well as the trains from Thorpe-le-soken to Walton they worked local trains from Clacton and Walton to Colchester (prior to the 1950s these used F5s). The pictures I have seen tend to be three coach sets CL-LT-BT made up of a mixture of Thompson and Gresley non-vestibuled stock including Gresley steel sided d.265s etc. Tilbury tanks were also used from the mid 50s. The Brightlingsea trains used F5s (1930s) then J15s and Ivatt 2Mts in the 1950s. Prior to the war ex-NER clerestory stock was also used along with the Gresleys.

There is a nice photo in one of the J.D. Mann books of a local service (I belive at Thorpe-le-soken) being double headed by a J15 and N7 coupled nose to nose. 

61658, there are a large number of photos of J70s at Colchester, I have posted some earlier in the thread, but a couple more below. I'm unsure of copyright

 

edit;  all the photos I have of trams at Colchester all face the same way, i.e. chimney towards Norwich, can't think why but must be deliberate. 

 

Regards

Paul

Thanks for that PaulG all of the other pictures I have seen are of 68226 the last one looks like it might be 68222 from the arrangement of the side plates as in other photos of that loco around 1953.

Cheers

I to can sympathise with this situation, after a number of years and a change of scale trying to get the layout I had dreamed of. I recently chose to dismantle everything and start from scratch with something more simple and more realistic for the space I have. I hate making baseboards so this was a painful decision but they came apart much easier than they went together and now I am starting to make visible progress and enjoy my hobby rather than be disheartened by it. 

Sometimes you have to take a couple of steps backwards before you can move forwards again. 

The last J70 tram loco was allocated to Colchester to work Hythe Quay. Apparently there was no requirement for side skirts or cowcatcher, albeit I have photos of trams at Colchester with all three options.

Paul

I think there must have been a requirement for skirts and a cowcatcher at some point as the Y5 that worked Colchester Hythe up until 1931 had skirts etc. I am not sure if they went over to J70s from then on or sentinels then J70s. Anyway it is 68226 (without skirts as in many available photos) that I have ordered, as it is a station on the Colchester-Clacton line I am basing my model on. I would be interested to see photos of the other trams at Colchester particularly in the 50s, I believe 68222 and 68225 were there for a short while shorty before withdrawal.

Roughly when was it that the N7s began being displaced from the suburban services, dispersed to other sheds and used more on branch lines?

http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=class&id=601407&type=S&page=alloc 

 

This should help. If the link above is anything to go by, almost all of them ended their days at Stratford. Ignoring ones allocated off the GE at outposts such as Colwick, Annesley, Hatfield etc, a few seem to have been sent to the countryside around 1957, and ended up at Cambridge, Lowestoft and Harwich Parkeston Quay from this period onwards. I would hazard a guess that they were displaced by brand new BTH Type 1/Class 15's which entered traffic in 1957, and the N7's would've then displaced the last F5's and F6's, and maybe some of the remaining E4's. Some non-London depots always had a small allocation of N7's throughout the BR period - Colchester for the Walton branch, and Kings Lynn for the South Lynn shuttle for example. 

On having a look through the relevant Yeadons (vol 27) it would seem that N7s started to be moved away from Stratford in 1948-49 to locations such as Colchester, Parkeston, Ipswich, Norwich, Hornsey and Neasden amongst others. Although this was only in small numbers of 4-6 to each location and they were frequently swapped back to Stratford and replaced by other N7s. By 1951 a few had spread further to Annesley, Colwick and Bradford.

Larger quantities of N7s began to be moved from Stratford permanently from 1956/57 and by 1959 the Stratford allocation was down to 61 from over 100 in 1950.

In LNER days the bulk the of changes to allocations seem to be between Stratford, Hatfield and Kings Cross, with a few going to Neasden for a short time in 1925/26 and Cambridge in 1933. During the war a few were allocated to Bradford.

This is of course a very broad summary have a look at Yeadons if you can plus this site

http://www.stciers.me.uk/home/sheds/index_sheds.html

is really useful for East Anglian allocations.

Cheers

Anybody fancy a W class tram for 550 pounds (delivery not included!)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-15/iconic-melbourne-trams-for-sale-for-thousand-dollars/9759268

If you type "Tallowood st Dorrigo NSW" into google street view you can get a good look at the 2 RODs they are at the very end of the long line of steam locos quite close to the road. I don't know how to imbed steetview into a post here otherwise I would.