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950496 Balfour Beatty 2004

950733 Balfour Beatty 2003

That’s pics of all of those listed as BD006F as shown here:

https://www.ltsv.com/rd/design_detail.php?id=DBWN-BD006F

Just to track down the non Balfour ones now as per the start of this thread. 
 

Cheers

Alan

Searching those numbers above is throwing up a few more pics.
 

950336 / 950412 from Ernie Puddick’s Flickr also Balfour Beatty in 2004

Cheers

Alan

Hidden amongst a recent Mike Cubberley Flickr upload and almost missed were:

950294 Balfour Beatty 2006

And the aforementioned 950197 Balfour Beatty 2004

Noting there’s a lot of difference between these two conversions. 

Cheers

Alan

Hi all,

I’m just pondering an idea for a small layout. 
 

In the sectorisation / EWS / early DRS era when flasks ran with barrier wagons where these uncoupled from the FNAs whilst running around the internal power station track with an industrial at the helm or where they left at the exchange siding?

Cheers

Alan

Having re-found an old Wagon number Excel spreadsheet on my hard drive dated 04.11.2001 that used to be available on the web I think I might now have found the answer to the BDA question. 
 

Design code: BD006F is marked up as a beam carrier. 
 

950197 is the only wagon listed with this design code

Pool 7106 which is described as:

Unassigned BBRP Ltd Various BalfourB unpowered vehicles D Medhurst  
 

However, further googling suggests other wagons to this design code:

https://www.ltsv.com/rd/design_detail.php?id=DBWN-BD006F

Can’t find a picture though. 

Cheers

Alan

Thanks Trog. That helpfully clarifies the use of the term Bale wagons then.

Looking at both the pics I’ve shared in this thread, and also Mick’s, there appears to be two different designs of lifting beam: a simple single metal beam from which the chains hang; and a more complex construction of I-beam.
 

I’m guessing that the difference would be in relation to which TRMs this could be used with? Perhaps one is for a pair of YOB single jibs and the other for a YJB twin jib? Or were they interchangeable / another reason for the different types?

Finally, and again this is supposition unless anyone can confirm / offer an alternative view but if there were different types and different combinations of chains that means there are a few lifting beams. It seem likely then that a beam would be stored and maintained somewhere and then lifted onto a wagon ahead of a planned track relay job rather than a number of wagons being tied up and unused with beams sitting on them awaiting their next use?
 

This leads to the suggestion that the light grey Salmon in my opening post is the same wagon and part of a small number used specifically for carrying lifting beams?

Interesting that Perch are now being used for carrying lifting beams. I wonder if the BDA (or derivative) picture was some kind of trial as an alternative to the ageing Salmon?

Really interesting and thanks for all the comments so far.
 

Cheers

Alan 

16 hours ago, Mark Saunders said:

There are several former Long Welded carriers that are now used for carrying at spreader beams!

Cheers Mark. Not seen that but not been out photting engineers trains for a long while.

On 28/06/2022 at 23:35, newbryford said:

Here's a later version YWA 996575 from 2010.

Thanks. I did manage to capture a few pics of other Bales like this one at Corbridge on the Tyne Valley in Sept 2003 so I do know other wagons were used:

The use of the BDA (to be confirmed) appeared unusual.
 

Still not sure if that light grey wagon is the same one that I kept seeing or there were a number coloured similarly used for this purpose. 
 

Cheers

Alan

Evening all,

I’ve been looking at some of my engineers train pictures from circa 2002-2004 in the North East.
 

It looks like a light grey converted Salmon wagon was in frequent use as a “bale” wagon as I understood they were called. 

However, on checking some pictures it also appears that I captured a converted BDA / BEA wagon. Unfortunately this was on my first digital camera so the resolution is quite poor. 

Does anyone have details of the “bale”

fleet please and can help identify these wagons? In particular I’m interested in knowing if I kept capturing the same light grey Salmon or there were multiple of these. 
 

Cheers in advance

Alan

1 hour ago, Steven B said:

There's two on Flickr showing the other side:

QPA_ADB975463 by wagonsontheweb, on Flickr

 

 

Steven B

Thanks Steven. I’ve got Gareth’s pics of the other two coaches so not sure how I missed these.

Cheers

Alan

Hi all,

can anyone help with pictures of this please. I have two or three but all of the same side as shown here:

https://www.departmentals.com/photo/975463
 

Cheers

Alan

2 hours ago, Steven B said:

I suspect the wording "inspired by" will be Hornby's get out of jail free card. There's no other branding relating to the film on the packaging - unlike the Rapido artwork which borrows heavily from the film.

 

I wonder if there will be an "inspired by James Bond" limited edition of the ex-Lima class 20 painted black with a glued on shart nose and couple of Russian looking Mk1s...

 

Steven B.

Yes please. 
 

Cheers

Alan

Hi,

there’s a picture of 50046 Ajax in April 1990 shunting an interesting set of wagons here on page 126 of Rhodes and Shannon - The Freight Only Yearbook No.2.

Wagons are:

Open wagon

12t van

GUV

Open wagon

12t van

GUV

Open

GUV

This picture led me to Google and then to this thread to try to find out more about the location. 
 

Cheers

Alan

edit - added reference to the wagons

7 hours ago, AY Mod said:

Press release from Footplate.

 

Flangeway Salmon Wagon – update – 19/03/21 

 

Following an issue found in January regarding the Salmon wagon, we are now able to provide an update on the issue along with the remedy.

Hi,

I’m pleased to hear a resolution has been found and look forward to having the opportunity to look at, and purchase, these wagons in the future. 
 

Cheers

Alan

On 04/02/2021 at 20:30, adb968008 said:

Just want to thank Footplate who recieved my return on Tuesday and have refunded me in full already.

 

If the Salmon is resolved I will have no issues re-ordering in the future.

 

Yes. Very prompt dealing with my return. 
 

Many thanks

Alan

On 26/01/2021 at 08:54, AY Mod said:

 

I know they're aware and investigating, please let them get on with that for now.

Any idea when we are likely to receive further information?
 

At the moment I haven’t started the process of returning these but I know others have and obviously there is a time limit set out in the distant selling regulations. 
 

Many thanks

Alan

Occasional poster here.
 

Each to their own but for £50 a wagon I’m afraid I’m very disappointed when mine have arrived and I’ve ran the ruler over them alongside the prototype diagram on the Barrowmore site.
 

There seems to be a bit of the wagon length missing:

around 10mm missing from the bogie centres

around 20mm missing from the length over the headstock

Basically to put that in context you can’t get a scale 60 foot panel on the wagon without it overhanging the buffers.

Back to Cambrian kits for me. 

Cheers

Alan

Any update on this please. As it’s Autumn now. 
 

Cheers

Alan

Thought these might be useful. Captured in Tuebrook Sidings September 2003. 

Is this from a Bogie Bolster C originally?

Cheers

Alan

And of course further spoil wagons particularly further ZCA “Sea Urchins” with the ex-OCA and ex-SPA versions being particularly relevant given existing products in the range.

Cheers

Alan

Apologies for being late to this thread thrown up on a google search.

In relation to future kits then the air brakes versions of the Borail as YLA “mullet” and YQA “parr” would fill a void in the departmental range.

Cheers

Alan

Hi Mark,

Poorly child on the sofa yesterday so I spent a lot of time on-line including reading a lot of this thread.

Really like the layout, exploring a simple first P4 layout too. It’s been a while since your August update. Any further progress to report?

Cheers

Alan

The option I think I'll be taking on is the three water tanks and a railtrack guv can't remember the classification right now seen in 2003 around Bradford Wakefield areas

 

David

My recollection of these on Teesside is that they were KFA wagons rather than FEA. They had yellow bogies. Must dig out my pictures.

Here’s a couple from Flickr:

https://flic.kr/p/yDYfqN

https://flic.kr/p/QDfQzY

I’ve played with 3D printing (my first ever project) to produce some plug-ins for the GUV windows. They were ok but need revising to improve accuracy.

I’ve also got a Hornby KFA to explore the conversion to the appropriate diagram but again that’s a bit of a compromise.

Many thanks

Alan

Edited to add the pic links