AdamOrmorod

4 hours ago, zr2498 said:

Just received Earl Marischal DCC ready for a very good price from Bure Valley Models. Running well on DC.

 

 

 

I decided against the DCC sound and steam. The steam generator seems an excellent idea for some fun, but I have a few concerns about the long term effects of condensate on scenery and applied weathering. To me, DCC control with good sound files /quality speaker is more important. I may just fit a decoder for DCC operation in the short term, and then hope that one of the sound supplier experts record the Prince of Wales to install on either an ESU or a Zimo decoder.

 

The new P2 paint finish does seem rather 'flat', so some weathering will be needed.

I did that to the CotN, which I have to say is still an excellent model, and currently is still my favourite. I did have to replace the motor though.

 

Here for comparison.

 

 

Some more shots of the weathering. The application of 'Klear' made all the difference.

 

 

 

The driver's side slidebars on 2001 look like they could do with pushing back in to place! Lovely weathering though, and good job of disguising the plastic coal.

While I'm not personally that interested in sound and smoke, it is great to see that they've put effort in to getting the synchronisation working. Whenever I see a sound loco, without thinking I automatically find myself comparing the chuffs to the wheel rotation, can't help it!

1 hour ago, No Decorum said:

That looks and sounds like a two-cylinder loco. If Hornby is depending on a perforated disc on one of the axles to synchronise the sound of the beats to the rotation of the wheels, that’s going to be difficult to fix.

Looks to me like there are exactly 6 beats each time the wheels go around, and the sound sounds like it's looping every six too. There is a strange accentuation though, like one two three four five six, which I agree does sound a bit two-cylindery. Maybe Hornby knows something we don't and this is what it would sound like with the rotary gear? 🤷‍♂️

1 hour ago, cctransuk said:

 

If the return crank fixing to the crankpin is a rectangular slot, fitting over a rectangular projection on the crankpin, you could - CAREFULLY :-

 

i] lengthen the return crank slot with a needle file so as to enable the rivet to be over the wheel centre;

 

or

 

ii] shorten the rectangular projection on the crankpin with a needle file, in order to achieve the same result.

 

Depends how brave you are!

 

CJI.

One of my pet peeves is how the Walschaerts return crank often leans the wrong way on one side of Hornby locos. However, the rectangular slot is a friction fit inside the rest of the crankpin, and it's possible to CAREFULLY push the return crank to correct the angle. I know @LNER4479 has done this with needle pliers, I prefer to use my thumb! (perks of small hands) I don't know for sure if the speedo crank is similar, but it might be possible to just push it into place.

Looks like there's a bit of a kink on the "straight" route:

Will trains run okay over that?

11 hours ago, palmsticks said:

Well now...  a WITH addition smoke deflectors version! @AdamOrmorod @Hilux5972 @OliverBytham

Kicking myself for not having seen this coming, especially having just filled the space vacated for the smoke generator on my 2005 with weights to sort out its balance.

The extra smoke deflectors will come in very handy with the steam generator!

Hi everyone,

I noticed in a video of 46115 Scots Guardsman that the front pair of tender wheels are discs, while the other two pairs are spoked, which I'd never noticed before.

I did some googling and it seems like it has not always been like this.

I'm just curious, does anyone know if these were swapped in after the hot box on the GBXV tour? Where are they from?

I hope I've put this in the right place!

Best,

Adam

10 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

 

I've added the extra bits to Hornby's latest P2.

 

It really is a striking model, with performance to match.

 

You can see how it runs (and PRINCE OF WALES) on WOR in due course. 

The front nem socket also comes off easily, just slide a flat-headed screwdriver underneath. Nice to not have to do surgery!

3 hours ago, JhornG201 said:

Got my Prince of Wales a few weeks ago, and have spent some time detailing the model to bring it closer to how 2007 will appear when in operation. The work I’ve done consists of:

• Adding air brake pipes (leftovers from Heljan 26s/27s) and LNER style lamps to the front buffer beam
• Rear axle removed and swapped round so speedo drive is on the driver’s side. BR style speedo cable added also
• Handrail added to the inside of the smoke deflector. On the P2s this was only on one side, so replicated the same here
• Modern warning flashes added based on the positioning of those on Tornado
• Coal space weathered and real coal added
• Hornby details pack fitted
• Fox Transfers etched nameplates and cab side works plates

Looks great! How did you do the deflector handrail?

20 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

No hole on mine…

 

I think there is if you look very closely

1 hour ago, mattingleycustom said:

Yes, my ToF has the same 'feature'

 

Glenn

Thanks, Hornby said they all have it. Some strategic weathering in order!

Just got my replacement ToF this morning, smokebox seam is much better than the first one.

However, I noticed there's a small hole on the top of the smokebox front, presumably where the whistle on a double chimney example would fit.

Does anyone else's have this?

Just in case anyone was thinking of doing the same, a friend found upon removing Earl Marischal's nameplates to fit proper etched ones that there are a pair of locating holes close to both ends. The Fox ones were too short to hide them, so he fitted the supplied ones instead.

2 hours ago, No Decorum said:

I suppose it depends on how particular you want to be. Wolf had a different boiler with a combustion chamber. That doesn’t show on the outside but President had washout plugs whereas Wolf had firebox hand holds. Look back though the images on here and you can see the difference. Wolf’s vertical cab handrail was taller. Wolf had extra roof ventilators from new but President had them added later – as far as I can see, the Hornby model has them, so that should be all right. The bulge in the casing is likely a slightly different shape as discussed above but Hornby seems to have ignored it so that should be all right too.

 

Hornby has produced four different versions from the new tooling. If they sell rapidly, you never know – Mons Meg and Wolf may follow later and perhaps even the first two in rebuilt form.

The difference with 2006's boiler isn't just the washout plugs, but the geometry is different too. The other have no gap between the final "round" boiler band (the proper name escapes me) and the firebox slope, whereas there is an appreciable gap between them on 2006.

A friend contacted the design team who said they had no intention of tooling for this, a shame as Wolf is the coolest name imo

17 minutes ago, Johan DC said:

...But I still very much like my CotN, and being a gift from my late godmother, I might be a little biased. For me the biggest problem is/was the fixed coal load. 

 

My CotN was the first model I bought when I got into the hobby, and I honestly think it doesn't look too bad against the new one, the silver handrails helping disguise the moulded ones. I painted the cab controls on mine, and have been meaning for years to do something about the coal space!

I'd be interested how the weight compares between 2001 and either 2002 or 2007 with their cast running plates, the pointy ones seem quite a bit lighter (space in the front for the smoke generator?) 

Incidentally your 2005 in the background has convinced me to swap mine, even if I have to wait for the second batch to arrive in a month or so.

If it's just a nick in the paint and is the only issue, personally I'd sort something like that with a tiny brush/cocktail stick and a tiny dab of black paint to save myself the hassle of swapping (and the risk of getting a worse one!)

Had a reply from Hornby r.e. the smokebox gap:

"I have passed your phone and enquiry to our Quality Team and they have confirmed that the line is there joining between two parts, one metal and one diecast, there is always going to be a line there, we can collect and send a replacement but this will be no different from the one you have."

I don't think any part of the body is metal? Even the running plate seems to be plastic (imo an improvement as at least there's no visible join there towards the front)

17 minutes ago, Daddyman said:

Thanks for confirming it's absent on the Hornby model.

 

My feeling was that it was a different shape on every one of the prototypes. It's a particularly complex shape ahead of the cylinders, which the bulge blends back into flat. And the "low" or "normal" valance that passes over the driving wheels actually continues some way forward, ending about level with the front of the cylinders. Some years ago when I was working on a conversion of the original P2 to a streamlined one using an A4 front end, I made the piece of the skirts that covers the cylinders in 5 thou brass, which got the shape right, but I could never work out how to attach it to the plastic body, or to represent the "low" valance continuing above the cylinders, or how to blend the brass in ahead of the cylinders. Seems like Hornby couldn't either!    

They mentioned this about 2 years ago on the engine shed when the renders appeared:

"The above renders show the latest version of 2003 ‘Lord President’. Despite looking similar to the A4 and W1 Streamlined front, the P2s streamlined casing has its own unique geometry and a few unique details. It was often the case during this era that engineering drawings differed from the final locomotive as construction relied heavily on the skills of the workers building them. A particular feature of the original locomotives was the way the casing was forced around the cylinders which from photos appears to have resulted in different creases on each unique locomotive. The challenge for the Hornby designers was to design the model in such a way as to reflect an idealised pristine condition while still matching faithful to the real locomotive rather than the engineering drawings."

5 hours ago, Johan DC said:

 I'd suggest you try to see one or both streamliners in the flesh, it might help you of the fence, possible on the 'yeay' side. Mine just arrived here in Belgium, and they are flawless. The ridge is almost not visible, and it fits perfectly on both. 

Would you mind photographing the smokebox join please? I'm yet to see a photo of one I personally wouldn't have noticed (which is tempting me to keep this one, as while the join is one of the larger ones it is at least uniform the way around...)

5 hours ago, palmsticks said:

• 2003 and 2005 -Join visible where the Bugatti smokebox component mates to the boiler section (not visible on 2002) as reported by @AdamOrmorod but not as noticeable (to me) and not a deal breaker. 2005 does seem to suffer more.

 

 

To me it looks like the front of the sloping boiler section is slightly under diameter compared to the smokebox. Your 2005 does look about the same as mine, and I'm becoming more tempted to keep this one since the join is at least uniform all the way around.

I'll still refrain from running it until I hear from Hornby. 

1 hour ago, kelsh003 said:

Anyone had anything shipped from Hornby via DPD today? Order I placed last Thursday was due to be shipped today according to an email they sent as missed Friday's collection but tracking not updated yet.

 

Not familiar with Hornby as first time ordering direct so don't know how late they can collect.

I was DPD, shipped Friday and arrived today.

Just got my 2005, generally looks good, if a somewhat duller green than I was expecting. Haven't had chance to run yet as am in the department, but two things have caught my eye so far: fireman's side printed nameplate is slightly on the wonk, and there's quite a join between the smokebox and boiler, most visible from the rear, not helped by this part being painted black:

Does anyone else's look like this? In two minds whether to try my luck at getting a better one, or try a very careful application of green paint...

R.e. uncertain details on 2007, it just hit me when looking at my Tornado model: warning flashes!

2005 also on its way, thought it was due to arrive after the others

colour me excited too!

The cad image has cranks on the rear two coupled axles on the driver's side, the forward one presumably for this lubricator (or at least something)

Am personally looking forward to 2005 😃