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36 minutes ago, Pint of Adnams said:

I should point out that the wheelbase of the Y1/Y3 is 7' 0" with wheels 2' 6" dia. whereas that of the Y10 is 6' 0" with wheels 3' 2" dia. and the vertical boiler fitted to the latter is different, but these differences would be noticeable only to the purist.

The Y10 had skirts similar to the steam trams it was intended to replace, so the difference shouldn't be noticeable. I'm hoping to build a Y10 body that would fit snuggly over the Dapol chassis without needing screws etc. My plan is to also have a 04 diesel, a J70, and possibly that Hunslet 0-4-0 (which all have skirts) as alternative bodies.  I just run the loco into the fiddle siding and swap the body over.  This would save quite a bit of expense, and my planned micro layout would rarely have more than one loco running, it being based on the Scalescenes dock scene.

I've bought two Dapol Sentinels, for a 7mm micro layout based on the east Anglian harbours, and I'd like to convert one to a Y10. Before I start scratch building, has anyone already produced a kit or 3D print of a Y10 body?

I built four wagons from the Brees drawings in gauge 3, by adapting Victorian's method of 3D printing.

this is my proposed entry: a section of GWR mixed gauge baulk track, in gauge 3. Bolt detail and ballast still be added.

Does the low budget include everything that appears in the diorama? or can one include items previously pruchased?  The L & B 1840s carriage ordered from Shapeways, and the two Modelu figures, in my first mock up obviously cost significantly more than that.

I just received Modelu's newsletter, they've collaborated with "The Ragged Victorians" to introduce a range of figures c1851. Many are 'characters' to say the least, but some seem respectable enough to be allowed near a railway:

https://mailchi.mp/modelu3d/modelu-news-february-2020?e=d86dec887a

18 minutes ago, TEAMYAKIMA said:

That backscene concept has been the subject of quite a bit of discussion and some criticism

It does seem to work, and is probably much less intrusive than any attempt to produce an overcast sky. You were right to stick with it.

lovely layout. Sorry if this has been asked before, but how did you arrive at that quite dark shade of grey for the backscene?

Has anyone come up with any ideas about what the wagons on the C & HP looked like in the early years, before the LNWR takeover in 1860? In John Marshall's book there's a list from 1856 stating

82 common wagons without springs, coal

45 Harpur Hill lime wagons

14 goods spring wagons

etc.  I wondered if Chaldron wagons might have been used?

I decided to draw the artwork in Silhouette studio.  I'm very very pleased with the result, when compared to doing it by hand, or paying to have it laser cut.  This machine will soon be very busy.

I've just started experimenting with a Silhouette Cameo that I bought second hand a year ago. I tried out the Silhouette Studio software and found it claims to read DXF files. However it made a mess of opening the dxf I created of a window frame in Turbocad, The ghost image, upper left, was deleted from the original.  If I set the import option to Fit to Page, I get a smaller version which does fit on the page.  However the original is 68mm x 45mm. And why does it miss out the left hand verticals?

Failing that does Studio have linear copy or array copy options? so I can just create it again from scratch?

54 minutes ago, Pacific231G said:

Just how common WAS street running to connect docks with the rest of the railway network

and how much of it was loco hauled? My guess is much less than is modeled.

Great Yarmouth was a good example though, there are photos of 04s and Y10s hauled wagons along the road, which also implies Y6s and J70s.  The line to the Fish Quay ran parallel to the Council Tramway (3' 6" gauge) The former crossed the latter to enter the brewery, the trams crossed the std gauge to reach the station forecourt.

29 minutes ago, webbcompound said:

plenty of examples exist of this kind of double buffer arrangement for dealing with chaldron type wagons

But is there any evidence for this in the 1840s?

sorry to butt in on this discussion, but I have a query about the hauling of chauldron wagons by steam locos. The drawing below shows these wagons, which have inside frames and therefore narrow spaced dumb buffers, hauled by a loco that has buffers in the 'normal' spacing.  Were barrier wagons normally provided? Or did the wagons' dumb buffers just butt up to the loco/tender buffer beams?

On 18/04/2019 at 16:00, Edwardian said:

modern 'artist's impression' of Rocket and Belted Will, circa 1840, by Sid Barnes:

 

I persuaded David Viewing to blow up one of his 3D printed Bury locos to gauge 3 and am thinking of building some chauldron wagons for it to pull.

I'd love to see someone build a modern image micro layout. When staging  "Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves" in a local panto, there are actually only half a dozen thieves with different hats.  If the view of the layout is severely restricted to, say, a junction with signals, a container train or express might only need a few wagons or coaches. Quite a show could be achieved with the sounds, lights and smoke possible courtesy of DCC, and the amazing detail of the models we see at exhibitions.

3 hours ago, PaulRhB said:

Does he offer them on Shapeways

I badgered David to blow them up for me, so STL files do exist in G1(10mm) and G3. I'll check with him if he's offering them generally

I got David to blow up a couple of his Bury locos to gauge 3 for me, for my planned 1840s/50s ECR/LNWR layout

Sorry if this has been highlighted already:

I suspect most Early Railways modellers don't normally browse Garden Rail, but the July issue is worth checking out. There's an article by, David Viewing, explaining how he uses 3D printing methods to produce some very nice gauge 1 models of railways of the 1830s-1840s. Even if you're turned off by the CAD discussion, there are a few inspiring photos.

The amount of space curves and points take up combined with the available space, will determine what sort of layout is possible , I recommend drawing out a crossover and and a curve, full size, on a piece of newsprint, or old wallpaper. If you're thinking of an oval, then I suggest a 90 degree curve. And if it's double track then allow for that.

just bought my ticket for Warley, this layout will be where I head first. That awning looks very realistic.

Inspired by the presence of a horse in the canalside entry, I think this will be my gauge 3 contribution: "Peggy, the Brentwood shunting horse is replaced"

A pedantic question: shouldn't the horse be attached to a loop on the solebar, then it wouldn't need to walk in the four foot?

was there anything unique about the Somerset canal boats? The Fenland lighters and Chelmer barges were quite distinctive, in my area. Features like these, or farm wagons, or even clothes, may not be noticed by the majority, but I remember the pride of one exhibitor when I recognised a building he'd included on his layout, as model of Oldknow's canal warehouse from Marple. It's worth the effort.

Interesting looking layout,with the 'walk-in' front,or is there another board to fit in the space?.

 

I have to admit that i did`nt know what gauge 3 was ......till i looked it up,and it`s quite big!

 

 

Brian.

My aspiration is to model a couple of barges, or lighters, for the front. Strictly speaking there is just enough room for a scale Thames sailing barge, but leaning over it to deal with three-link couplings might be difficult.

I'm finding some of the comments about this competition a bit wearing.  Some people seem to have started at the maximum size and pushed for more. Surely part of the enjoyment is in trying to produce a layout that meets the operational and visual criteria, well within the size limit. Then you've got a bit of slack, if reality doesn't match the plan. If the maximum is 2m, try and do it in 1.5m! My layout Aldeburgh Wharf was allowed in, despite being 5" too long, because it was gauge 3 (and it would have been very difficult to chop off those 5 inches). But I have entered two gauge 3 layouts; the second one uses my existing working diorama Lea Siding(featured in this month's BRM) but may supercede  it completely. The scenic section is four feet long, with a four foot long fiddle yard area, and a two feet long traverser to allow loco run round at the other end.

Ideally it would be a Suffolk branch line with a BR railbus and a J15, but it is extremely unlikely I could get those built in time, so it will probably be based on the Wisbech and Upwell in pre grouping days, with a one car passenger service. 

This project will be much easier than a 2mm layout in the same space, because I can draw the viewer's eye to the tiny details, in 2mm you've got a whole landscape to get right.

And this is the current Lea Siding.