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Thanks muchly; I shall see if I can track it down.

Just noting the E.A. Marsh wagon Hornby sells and wondering if anyone had any knowledge of the Blue Pennant stone quarry owned by this concern, if indeed it is based on a genuine Welsh company and is not the fancy of some graphic artist? I have a strong familiar link with this and several other areas of Wales, quite aside from the railway affliction.

Ooooh! I could do something with that, though those end windows could provide some entertaining moments if I were to do a scratch build. 

If you can find any photos of trains on the Caterham Branch, they would help, because that line was prime H territory, with several shedded at Purley, at this time, I think.

 

Caterham is an interesting case-study, because it was fast transforming from a small, rural, town, into a commuter suburb. It got a hefty station upgrade c1900, and traffic continued to grow, probably until the 1960s, necessitating electrification (1920s?) to keep up with the pace. I'd be willing to bet that it was given the best of SECR stock.

 

There are one or two useful pictures here of Bexhill, although they might be 'through portions' http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/bexhill_west/

 

One useful one at Elmers End http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/e/elmers_end/index.shtml

 

But, overall, seems hard to find pictures of these SECR suburban branches.

Dang right about SECR suburban branches having a lack of photos. And I thought the South Wales valleys lacked coverage in the pre-grouping era! Still, I have learned enough in this thread to push into the suburbs of plausibility from the outer darkness of ignorance.

I looked up the "Trio-C' sets of 60-foot coaches in Gould; these are the ones for which Bachmann make the RTR models. Apparently, they were used on local services as well as main-line workings. Therefore, in the period 1912-c.1915, an H in Wainwright livery with a Trio-C set in lake livery is plausible as a branch-line train. For a branch with only moderate traffic it might be a bit OTT. In fact, I think Hayes was served by a railmotor. However, in an alternate history where Hayes grew more quickly it would be OK.

 

Other historical formations with H class:

 

- Train of 15 ex-SER 6-wheeled coaches on the old main line, between Brockley and Honor Oak Park, c. 1909. Branchlines and Mousa sell kits for coaches of this type. 

 

- Two trio sets, seen in Cray cutting. Date unknown, but the H looks to be in late Wainwright livery, possibly with the simplified lining and the dome painted over.

 

- Local train with ex-LCDR 6-wheel coaches, and three cattle wagons, see again in Cray Cutting.

 

- Through coaches from the 10:15 Deal-Birmingham, seen at Willsden in 1910. Visible coaches are a SECR 6-wheeled brake and two LNWR centre-brake coaches.

The variation on Hayes I have in mind is a much busier terminus with longer distance trains departing as well; possibly shared with the LBSC. I will post a track plan in another thread soon.

Though evidently not the same diagram, the Bluebell 100 seater looks similar in design to the Roxey bogie coaches. Thanks for all this information; I'm such a history nerd that I love to know the answers and get those sorts of things right. However, as there is distinct scarcity of SECR experts are lurking in Australia, and the chances of me ever exhibiting a layout again are fairly slim; so I really shouldn't worry too much! 

Thanks Guy. I do indeed have the Wainwright liveried example. I was able to deduce from the internet that the class H was a mainly suburban London proposition, hence the layout I am considering is an adaptation of Hayes, potentially expanded to a shared terminus with the LBSCR.

Thanks for that Nick. I had seen reference to the Branchlines stuff, but I had no real idea what they had. What I think I need to do now is get hold of some good reference books, and see what they show me.

HI all, I tried this topic in a more general part of the forum and got nothing, so I thought I would throw it in amongst those of a more specifically pre-grouping orientation! For running behind my Horby SECR Wainwright class H, I am considering getting some Roxey Mouldings LCDR 4-wheelers, or the SECR bogie stock from the same source (4C77-4C80) are also possible I guess. However, I am wanting to know if there are more appropriate coaches lurking out there that could be used? From everything I can tell the Bachmann birdcage coaches, whilst they look lovely, are more suitable for longer distance trains. However, as I am a novice in all things SECR, I have a lot to learn. 

I have managed to score one of these gorgeous little locos, and I was wondering about suitable coaches to construct to run with it. The Roxey mouldings 4 wheelers look good, as does the RTR Bachmann Birdcage stock (though from research they don't seem to be a London suburban proposition in SECR days), but I wanted to know from people more expert in the SECR what other kinds of coach would be appropriate. Somehow a pre-group SECR layout has formed in my mind, far away from the South Wales valleys I normally model.

Doesn't it just! The fit looks really good. I would be thinking about back-dating it to an S.

Hello all; I'm emerging from my periodic railway modelling slumber and I want to know if anyone has any experience of building kits from 88D model kits? To my lasting delight there is a source of some Rhymney Railway models that I can actually order online, but I wouldn't mind getting a heads up from anyone who has built one of their kits. Living in a land of exiled Celts means that I don't get to exhibitions in the UK where the wonderful wares of smaller UK manufacturers are available to me!

Like doesn't quite cut it. A tour de force. Hwyl fawr

I love the view under the screens, I can almost smell the coal dust!

More superb work. It makes me slightly less daunted by building up some coaches for the Welsh layout I am contemplating.

There were indeed some sheep wagons in use in Victoria until the recent past. Queensland still runs livestock trains.

Some kiwi psycho sheep?

I had an encounter with a King Brown snake in our pool area last year before we moved South. He was uninterested and I was unarmed, and therefore we parted peacefully. I had no ambition to build a garden railway in the Northern Territory!

Awesome head frames, though I can get away with modelling them in wood! Lovely Highland locos and stock. Those flares and curves look a bit daunting.

I got into railway modelling through my wife, who suggested it as a natural extension of static scale modelling. However, when she first met me I didn't make static models, and she thought it weird that I had no hobby outside work. She changed that much in me, and twenty years and six children later I have a bunch of children who share the various hobbies as well. Good fun all round.

Hi all; my username means "the white wizard", and I live in Toowoomba (currently), though as I am in the Army, that is only temporary; so the local club is unlikely to see much of me. I have been a member of the BRMA, but I left British outline modelling for a long time to pursue other interests; mainly German outline HO. I have no returned to modelling British railways, in particular the Brecon and Merthyr Railway and the Rhymney Railway in O scale. I haven't had a working layout in 7 years now, but I am working through designing one that can survive removal containers! We shall see how that goes.

Nice work so far! I am planning a Brecon and Merthyr Railway layout in 7mm that is similar in concept. Interesting discussion on Australian place naming conventions; I wonder how many Sandy Creeks there are? My layout will probably be called Twpsyn Bach, especially when I doubt the wisdom of what I am doing!

I thought of P4, but having modelled so much with 1:48 aircraft O scale attracted me more. I like your station building a lot; it looks alive!

I have always liked the look of the track plan for that station. Are you working in 4mm scale?