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  1. Titan, This forum topic is "Brake tender length of service and where were they used". If you wish to conduct a discussion on headcoades in the 1970's I suggest you start a new topic instead of hyjacking this one. In the quote you sent I was responding to another poster, not you.
  2. You are quoting me out of context. I made a quote stating I was referring to lamp codes in the 60's, to I never posted any data on 70's lamp codes (that was another poster), other than I had stated I had seen little or incorrect use.
  3. In my original post on Brake tenders I specifeid it refered to the 60's, I lost interest when they started painting everything blue.
  4. Just because they had discs didn't mean they were using them, I saw many trains with a "Royal Train" headcode in the 70's
  5. Looks like a motor rail service. I've never seen a brake tender carrying a class 1 headcode before. Excellent picture.
  6. Hi Paul, We're talking trains in the 60's here, and the codes were pretty standard throuout BR at that time (there were exceptions). If we go from the photos I posted. The tender on the Class 24 is showing a Class 9 code (Unfitted, one lamp on the RHS) this is actually a Pick up freight code although it looks like a Mineral train. My other shots don't show lamps. The next shot with a class 37 carries a Class 7 code (Express freight Unfitted, one lamp top bracket, one lamp RHS). Next 37, Class 9, Next 37, Class 5 %0% fitted. The Class 20 on another Class 9, the loco showing a Class 7in the 4 charscter box. Note this is an LMR brake tender, note the differences to the York/Cowlairs tenders. Theer are plenty of diagrams of headcode positions on the web if you look for them. One of my pet hates is seeing trains carrying the wrong codes on model railways in anything bigger than N. i try and make my operators apply the correct lamps in the fiddle yard. If the scrapping of most signal boxes lamp headcodes and even 4 character one fell out of use and we went over to the domino boxes.
  7. Just because a train looks fully fitted doesn't mean it is. The correct designation is 90% fitted, piped throughout. Defective brakes, missing or damaged brake pipes can render a train unfitted. Check the headcode carried by the loco. If it's not carrying a class 4 headcode it's not fully fitted. If it's a pick up freight it may not have been time effective to connect up all the pipes. Also the brake tender may have just been along for the ride when the loco has been used for an unfitted working some time in the day.
  8. According to the BR drawing I have dated 31/3/61 for the vehicles built at Cowlairs. The Brake tenders were built on redundant coach underframes (Greasley and Thompson), shortened and weighted with Concrete to a weight of 35 tons. They were used on unfitted freight, mainley coal traffic and pickup freights in this area. Earlier examples were built on ex LMS coach frames for use on the LMR. They were introduced because heating of the smaller wheels of diesel locomotives caused tyre cracking. In this area they were used mainly on class 24, 25, 37 and 17, but I have seen them on 40 and 45's as well.
  9. One thing that this topic has shown is the value of joining a club ( not easy at the moment I will admit). Three pages of conversation on this topic could have been answered in half an hour at any half decent Model Railway club and shown more ways of solving the problem hands on.
  10. I sent you the link previously. http://a19modelrailwayclub.org/tonys-dcc-workshop/complex-pointwork-wiring-for-dcc/ You just need to connect your point linkage or even fasten one at the end of the peco trowbar to operate it. these are what we use. https://www.rapidonline.com/marquardt-191-071-021-straight-lever-5-7mm-for-1050-series-micro-switches-59-4131
  11. Never seen a situation where I needed a frog juicer and I've had some pretty complex pointwork over the last 50 years.
  12. From the ongoing posts in this thread it sounds like the electronic frog switcher is not detecting the short from incorrect polarity quick enough when the turnout is reversed. I do not understand why people use electronic frog switchers when a 50p microswitch does the same job instantly. Take the frog juicers out and stick a micro switch on your point linkage or at the end of the throwbar.
  13. I'm assuming from this comment all your layout is connected to one booster/ command centre and the rails are connected as shown in the link I sent you. That is Red rail to Red rail and Black rail to black rail. i.e. in phase. If not the system sees it as a short through the loco pickups as it traverses from one track to the other. Check your connections.
  14. There shouldn't be any buzzing, slowing, etc. Are the two tracks the crossover is joining in Phase? If they are on separeate power districts, they must be connected correctly, it sounds like they are not.
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