Marshall5

I spent a considerable amount of time looking for colour photos of NPCS taken in the 1957-64 period when painting a B.R. built FruitD, an ex LNER Dia.9 Horsebox, ex GWR Siphon G and two ex S.R CCT/PMV's.  The conclusion I came to was that they all had black ends in that period.  When spray painting was introduced in 1964/5 the ends became the same colour as the sides so only a very few vehicles would have maroon or green ends before the change to Rail Blue. Paul's website is an invaluable reference but unfortunately, unless it is of an ex works vehicle, a B&W image can't really be relied on. Most photos show that these wooden bodied vehicles were seldom cleaned and little or no colour would be discernible under the overall filth.

Ray.

Why didn't you just re-set the crank in its correct position and secure with Loctite?

Ray.

I hope this image is of interest. It shows 19" goods 8858 at Bolton Trinity St. (ex L&Y) with a passenger train heading in the Manchester direction and carrying an express headcode. As they were classified 4F would it be unusual for one to be used on an express passenger service?

Ray.

I did exactly the same using a Sharpie and then varnished over the transfer (actually the whole wagon). Unfortunately the black Sharpie ink seemed to 'bleed' into the white lettering after a while.  Hope it doesn't on yours. 

Ray.

Apologies if I appear pedantic but the loco is 5" gauge (about 1.1"/1foot scale) not "5 inch scale".  Full marks to the builder for his efforts though - there aren't enough many young model engineers.

Ray.

The Midland and the LMS both referred to the colour as "Crimson Lake" but it was, essentially, the same as B.R. "Maroon" allowing for variations in the colour of the undercoat and coats of varnish used.  The locos and carriages used the same Crimson Lake so I think it is safe to assume that the buildings and delivery vehicles used the same.

Ray

According to Charlie Box's book (p44) "From 1905 to 1922 the L.O.R. original channel section conductor rails were left in position and used for traction return current in addition to the running rails".

Hope this helps.

Ray.

Is there nothing in VoR in detail https://www.rheidolrailway.co.uk/product/vorindetail/

Ray.

One of the ex WD 2-10-0's 'Longmoor' is on display (or was in 1980) in the Utrecht transport museum.

Ray.

2 hours ago, Graham_Muz said:

Left Hand drive

Sorry to disagree but I've spent a lot of time around railroads in the western U.S. and have yet to see a LHD loco.

Anyway back to the OP.  Whilst all the S100's were built as RHD I wasn't sure if the S.R. modified them to LHD so I referred to Rich Tourret's 'U.S. Army Transportation Corps Locomotives'.  Quote: "The modifications made by the SR consisted of fitting vacuum brake equipment with a Gresham ejector over the reversing lever, fitting steam-heating connections, addition of sliding windows as well as minor alterations such as additional lamp irons".  No mention of change from RHD to LHD which would entail a lot of re-engineering although the Chinese did it with their S160's

As Tourret is/was pretty much the expert on USATC/WD locos I'm prepared to believe that the USA tanks were right hand drive throughout their lives.  Could be a good excuse for a field trip to the K&ESR to check though! 

Ray.

Sorry but I can't agree with much of the above.  I  always clean the area of the etch where I am going to solder with a fibreglass brush or wet & dry and pre-tin before making the joint.  There seems to be a perception that soldering is some sort of 'black art' requiring all sorts  of fancy gear.  I have been building 7mm scale kits for 40+ yrs. and my 'go to' iron is a simple 40W with a 1/4" chisel bit. IMO people make too much of a song and dance over "temperature control" -  to me the amount of heat available is more important and the bit holds that reserve of heat which it transfers to the metal and allows the solder to flow freely. I have always used a corrosive flux and make a point of thoroughly cleaning up after every soldering session.  IMO the small amount of time it takes makes the next session much easier.

Ray.

15 hours ago, doilum said:

For the record, the Barnsley venue wasn’t available for the required date this year. The rest is Guild politics. A pity as the venue was more than adequate and would have grown once people got to see that the town has moved on since the strike......

I completely agree with your second sentence - the Barnsley venue wasn't given a chance.  On the first, however, I'm not so sure.  I asked Jackie the question directly and I'm pretty certain that the reply was that the venue was available for June but not December due to prior bookings. I don't think the Guild made this quite as clear as it could have done for some reason ......

Ray.

I always went to the G0G Summer shows (not just to escape the TT) and the really irksome bit was that the Barnsley show lost the least money of all the G0G shows.  IMO the South was already well catered for and the North lost out.  I sincerely hope the Wigan show in December is a success but, a couple of weeks before Christmas and close to the well established NEC and Manchester shows, I have my doubts. Whichever way I won't be going .... 4hrs on the Irish Sea in mid-winter - forget it!

Ray.

11 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

 

Could this smokebox be from 4156?

Jason

 

No, it is from 3817 which was scrapped in March 1973 as posted above. ISTR some or all of its driving wheels also became 'monuments' for a while in the 70's. 4156 wasn't cut up until July 1980.

Ray.

Whilst B.R. certainly did remove plates for sale through their stores controllers - my old man had 1462's smokebox direct from Swindon many other locos went to the private scrapyards complete with all plates.  How do I know this?  We bought 7753's brass cabside for a quid from Central Wagon at Ince along with the smokeboxe plates from 43275. 44104 & 90257 all for 2/6 each.  I suspect a great many plates also went 'walkies' from shed scraplines in exchange for a packet of fags.

Ray.

13 hours ago, adb968008 said:

I might be wrong but I thought I once read that 3817 cut up at Woodhams in the 1970’s had its smokebox saved for display on a trail in Staffordshire… maybe this is it ?

 

I also recall some parts being salavaged from inside the smokebox more recently, maybe for 3855 ?

 

Also going off memory, wasnt a wheel from either 92085 or 76080 saved from Barry for a roundabout somewhere… i believe it was recovered and swapped with an 08 for a barry restoration project a decade or two ago.

 

jog anyones memories to confirm ?

That's pretty much as I remember it.  The driving wheel you mentioned was off 76080 and was later 'preserved' for use on the new-build 82xxx -  unfortunately it  couldn't be used as the 76xxx drivers had one more spoke than the 82xxx .... or was it the other way round???

Ray.

51 minutes ago, 03060 said:

 

Superb photos, thankyou for sharing them with us, I'd never heard of the Austerity 'Monty' before.

 

Quick question regarding the latest Bickershaw photos ... would sand being used on the left hand line be the reason for the difference in track colours ?

 

Regards,

Ian.

Yes, that line was very heavily sanded!  Monty, new from Hunslet in 1950, inherited its name from ex GWR pannier 1956 which was scrapped at Sutton Manor in the same year.  Austerity 'Monty' came to Cronton in 1959 joining 2 other 1950 built Austerities one of which later went to Bold where it was named Whiston - a name which it still carries at Foxfield. Monty was oou by the end of 1970 and scrapped in 1973.  Cronton Colliery wasn't as well known to enthusiasts as other collieries in the area perhaps because steam working finished a bit earlier, in 1972.

Glad you like the photos.

Cheers,

Ray.

33 minutes ago, giz said:

I remember seeing somewhere that DB999501-505 were rebuilt from withdrawn LMS kitchen cars.

The diagram 1/551 saloons 30088 & 30106 (laterTMD395279/80) were the ones converted from D1912 kitchen cars in 1957.

Ray.

Er .... isn't 5525 a Patriot ?

Ray.

1 hour ago, 'CHARD said:

 

These days the saloons would be listed in one of the spotters' books, but I wonder if we could establish whether Carlisle had an ex-LMS example back in the late sixties, and its identity....?

In the list of initial allocations none were allocated to Carlisle. The nearest would be 45047 at Lancaster (still there in 1961) or 45020 in Glasgow. The latter was still in use in 1987 as the Sc.Region GM's saloon so hadn't strayed far. Hope this helps.

Ray.

22 hours ago, The Johnster said:

Profile is right for LMS period 1 or late Midland non-gangwayed.  My view is that it is double-track at Deganwy looking SSW. 

I don't think they are period 1 as there is no visible panelling.  More likely Stanier period 2 or 3.

Ray.

3 hours ago, Chas Levin said:

 

I wonder why they made that change? Was it something practical or operational, or just a case of what they had to hand during assembly?

I presume that it was so they could use the same mainframes and put the wheels inside to suit the narrower gauge.  Unfortunately that meant that they couldn't use coupling rods as on the s.g. ones so used chains to couple the driving axles.

Ray.