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Bonny loco, propa belta of a video!

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There are (hopefully) going to be some wonderful GC engines at Eastleigh this summer... https://www.steamtrain.co.uk/ https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=772752928184183&set=gm.1351924072026203

FYI: Radio 4 PM this evening (Wednesday 24/01/2024) at around 1725, Evan Davis did a piece on how cancelling HS2 phase 2 will throttle rail freight capacity bringing this news to a wider audience. Now up on BBC sounds here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001vmcn at around 20m15s into recording. #daventry international rail freight terminal #MaggieSimpson https://rfg.org.uk/team/maggie-simpson-obe/ #RobinWoodbridge https://www.prologis.co.uk/who-we-are/our-people/robin-woodbridge #TimShoverller https://www.freightliner.co.uk/about-us/our-executive-team/

While looking for information concerning A4 chime whistles (specifically, 4492 Dominion of New Zealand's NZR Nathan 5 note chime), I came across a rather wonderful video on YouTube of Peter Townend talking with Roland Kennington at Southall in 2011 about the identity change of Bittern to DoNZ. Well worth a watch if you are interested in the LNER coronation train: and when you've seen that one, watch this one about Peter:

Nice picture and lovely story. I would love to track down that transacord recording and have a listen. I did find somewhere that the 193 is under overhall but I've misplaced the link amongst the 10000 tabs I seem to have open dedicated to whistles (Mrs P thinks I've gone loopy). When I find it again, I shall try to get in touch. Anyway, studying the pic of the Barclay, I'm not so sure that is a NZR whistle. It looks too tall (or not fat enough). Difficult to gauge as its sticking up in the air on such a small engine, and that is a lot of whistle. It has the stepped feature of the different length tubes for each note but missing the "fins" around like the NZR whistle. It looks from the picture that the number of step is even - although this could just be the angle of the pic, but if so I would hazard a guess that the it is a 4 note chime rather than the 5 of the NZR or the 3 of the typical South African Railways. I intially thought the SAR was a good match for it but now I'm not so sure. It may well be that i've whistling up the wrong tree. Found some nices pics of 4492/60013 Dominion of New Zealand with NZR whistle that make for an interesting comparison and are similar to what I remember on top of Ja1275 - although I don't have a picture. Edit: yes I do! From the LNER forum From Flickr 4492 Dominion of New Zealand as originally fitted with the Crosby 3 not chime before 1939 when it was fitted with the NZR whistle 5 note Nathan(?) chime - (There is a nice pic of DoNZ in LNER livery with NZR whistle Yeadon's Vol2, pg 30) For completeness, here is a link for a typical SAR 3 note chime: https://www.gwra.co.uk/auctions/south-african-railways-triple-tone-chime-whistle-a-2009nov-0465.html Brand new NZR 5 note chime: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5196901923671887&set=pcb.5196902437005169 Edit: Turns out I do have a picture of Ja1275s whistle! Thats probably all I have on DoNZ's whistle. Probably should get back to fancy dressed up Sandringhams before someone notices and tells me to go whistle...

For those interested: fascinating thread regards 4489/60010 Dominon of Canada's restoration with commentators addressing the origin of the the CPR whistle fitted during the 2013 cosmetic restoration not originally fitted to the A4 but of similar (same?) type: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/86569-4489-dominion-of-canada/ Also, nice slide show of the 2013 cosmetic restoration. Now just need to know what happedned to 4492/60013 Dominion of New Zealand's NZR whistle...

Thanks for that - how did you find it so fast on brsince78? Playing them back, i'd agree with you that your youtube link of Hunslet no. 193 'Shropshire' sounds more similar to the brsince78 60013 than that quartet of A4 Crosby-esque whistles. However, I read on the LNER forum that 4492/60013 Dominion of New Zealand's NZR whistle was stolen together with 4489/60010 Dominon of Canada's CPR whistle from Porthmadog in c1963 and never recovered (see link below, post by stembok » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:29). Do you know if it turned up then? Is it still with no. 193 'Shropshire'? I wonder what got fittet to 4489/60010 when it got cosmetically restored for the Great Gathering? So many questions! https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3471&hilit=new+zealand+whistle Soz everyone, this whistling business is a bit off topic but please forgive a little tenuous indulgence!

Beautiful! Was Hunslet no. 193 'Shropshire' fitted with the New Zealand Railways whistle? It sounds like BR(E) Crosby replica? I always liked the NZR whistle ever since messing with Ja1275 in 2005 :) The stack talk from those industial engines is wonderful!

I think it is the cable for operating the whistle, like on an A4, the whistle / atomiser steam supply fitting is on the left hand side of the smokebox. It is interesting that the designer of the model has modelled it haphazardly drapped across 61670 and also modelled a different fitting on the smokebox compared to 2859. Also, the two whistles are different: 2859 having a Crosby chime (like the A4s and P2s) in LNER condition and 61670 having a bell whistle in BR condition. Presuably, like the A4s, the B17/5 lost their Crosby whistles during World War 2 because of the supposedly similar sound of an air raid siren. It would be good if someone who has Yeadon's Register Vol 5 or RCTS Locomotives of the LNER bol 2B could have a look to confirm. More here somewhere for A4 chime whistles: https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8897 The Daddy of whistles: http://www.crosby-steam.com/csw.htm Because:

From some replies earlier in the thread: This reply from @Tramshed might be helpful re valances and livery: and @Downer and this one from @PaulG has some nice images:

Its the Marketing Man's idea of an A4. Where the Thinking Man's idea of an A4 is a GCR pom pom

I bet* a can of actual coca-cola, that such a version will be announced in due course as a nice treat... *=with myself Meanwhile, 61670 is Batman's B17/5...

Hadn't seen these images before. Presumably renders rather than "photographs". From TMC: https://www.themodelcentre.com/r30136-21 https://www.themodelcentre.com/r30137-21

Stop it, your making my legs go to jelly!