Overner

Dibber 25  ---  I've read through most of the thread now and I can't help but wonder, how many times do you have to say something before anyone listens?

2020's not been a good year so far - could be that there are priorities other than the E1 at the moment and a bit of patience would be to all our benefit.

I've only just come across this thread (better late than never) although I'd heard rumours about an E1.

As a keen Isle of Wight fan, reveling in a surfeit of Terriers, can I ask that the new model should aim to be comparable with the Hornby A1X and not try to be 'museum quality'. The Hornby A1X is about as far down the realism scale as I believe manufacturers need to go. Sure, there are a few inaccuracies in most of the variations but nothing's perfect and nothing we can't fix or live with depending on our inclination (and skill).

Compared with my attempts to make the old Dapol/Hornby Terrier look like the real thing the new incarnation is perfection  -  produce a comparable E1 and make an old man very happy. Can't wait to get my order in.

Unfortunately those big SMOKING / NON-SMOKING labels were very short lived ( and probably incorrect for most of Hornby's Maunsell corridor stock ) being replaced by nothing / small triangular labels respectively before Nationalisation. The NON-SMOKING triangles were white with red lettering & surround in Southern days but the B.R. version reversed the colours and slightly 'squashed' the shape so it was no longer - or at least less - equilateral. B.R. labels are available from most of the railway transfer suppliers but the S.R. version are not. ( and that's an emphatic full stop : don't ask me why nobody makes them - but they don't.)

To remove the Hornby window labelling, place a tiny drip of SuperStrip in each window in turn using a pipette or similar then remove after a few minutes with a cottonwool bud ...... once you've done a couple you'll figure out how long you need to leave them : rinse and dry the whole thing once you've finished - or IMMEDIATELY if you over-do the SuperStrip !

The 'big' SMOKING/NON SMOKING labels were introduced in the early thirties to replace the earlier, etched SMOKING labels. The triangular version was, I think, introduced by Bulleid for new stock to his designs. From photos, it would seem that the 'big' labels were only fixed to the quarterlight to the right of the door, not to all quarterlights as Hornby have done. Removing those on the left quarterlight would, I think, improve the appearance considerably by taking away the 'cluttered' effect.

Thanks  bike2steam, it's one of my first ports of call for Terrier info but, unfortunately, has very few photos of help and no mention of the 'mini' toolboxes in the text.

Thanks Pete - the info about the lamp brackets is really helpful. I'd spotted the projecting bracket on one or two photos without registering its significance and had no idea that it was a removable extension. I chose the two locos I did to try to illustrate two noticeably different appearances so maybe I should model Cowes with and Carisbrooke without to fit that philosophy. Now I need to find one decent photo to work out approx. dimensions.

By the way, I'm working with two Dapol (7mm) first batch, mainland Terriers - not the new extended bunker variant.

Many thanks to you both

Colin

Many thanks Pete,

I was afraid the answer might be something along those lines. Finding photos of the locos which show the bunkers is like looking for a needle in a haystack as most photographers seemed to think that front three quarters is the only angle to use!

Is it possible that they were only needed when the locos were on push pull duties but could be left on or removed for non push pull working? I think I'll play safe and keep my models (Carisbrooke and Cowes c.1932) toolbox free until I can find a dated photo of the bunker end.

Colin

I posted this request on another thread but got no responses. As the IoW experts seem to be gathering on this topic, perhaps one of you could help.

Can anyone help with a small issue regarding toolboxes on the back of extended bunker Isle of Wight Terriers.

There are several instances of photos showing reduced size boxes offset to the right hand side but others show the same locos without. Does anyone know which locos had them, when they were fitted and when they were removed?

Any info would be really appreciated.

Colin

Can anyone help with a small issue regarding toolboxes on the back of extended bunker Isle of Wight Terriers.

There are several instances of photos showing reduced size boxes offset to the right hand side but others show the same locos without. Does anyone know which locos had them, when they were fitted and when they were removed?

Colin

Thanks for sorting that one out, Pete.

The new installation is, presumably the fenced off enclosure behind the tyre warehouse. I sat in the car park of the new Co-Op supermarket looking at it at the beginning of July but never made the connection, either because it's been moved to the other side of Afton Road or my sense of distance and perspective leaves a lot to be desired. It's a salutary warning of how we can go wrong when we try to interpret old photo's.

Colin

Three fascinating pictures, Ian. Do you have any idea when the b & w ones were taken. As for the strange erections, I agree that one looks like some sort of boring rig but the other thing that crossed my mind was some sort of floodlighting. At this point there isn't much space between the station site and the road for whatever they were doing there!

Colin

It can be partially seen in a photo I have (I will try to post it this evening).

 

Rather than a single 'wharf', there were a collection of covered platforms and coal bins (one of which looks like an old wagon body with the curved ends) along Jollife's Siding.

 

There was also a large brick shed with a large sign on the roof declaring 'Freshwater Coal Depot'. A small part of this shed still stands in the garden centre, and used as their 'Xmas Barn'.

 

Two coal merchants used the yard, one of which (Honnor & Jeffrey) later acquired the site and built the garden centre there.

 

Hope this helps, or is of interest.

I think this may be the photo you're talking about.

I believe that this shows the old coal shed which is now part of the garden centre. The openings, boarded over and certainly not windows, are at the right height to unload wagons with their drop doors down and I believe that this is the way coal was handled at Freshwater though I'm open to correction. There are also a couple of more conventional looking boarded coal bins at the end of the building.

As far as I know, there was no goods shed as such at Freshwater and most non coal goods would have been handled at the end loading bay opposite the platform road. Remember that the vast majority of goods traffic on the island was coal so sophisticated goods handling would have been unnecessary.

The wagon, no 26145, was an early SR transfer to the island and was a standard LBSC Diag 1367 5 plank. Several of these were transferred with round ends which were later cut down to match the majority of square ended 5 planks.

Colin

I found a couple of better images than those posted by Zephyrman - hope they're useful.

There was a kit for the brake van used in the earlier weed killing train. It was an ex MR van the IWR used if your doing SR.

 

The IWR water tanks were very unusuall in profile!!! And had several chassis over the years.

 

For the odd shaped one, please do not laugh but due to the wierd profile, the only think close was a sweetex sweetner dispenser which I cut into sections!!!!! It is slighty tapered too so I had to sort that. But by cutting ito into quarters for the top, then the bottom tapered bit was sectioned into quarters again. The chassis I used an IWR chassis from Smallbrook Studios I think. For the private owner Royal daylight wagons on the Island I modified a mainland tank wagon. I think the tank wagons and Isle of Wight cranes have taken the longest and are the hardest to build. The next hardest are the SECR composites!!!

The ex Midland Railway brake van was purchased by the IWCR, not the IWR, in 1911 and ran, as purchased until 1930 when it was rebuilt by the SR with a second veranda and acquired SR diagram no 1588. Its IWC running number was 5 and it was renumbered as SR 56037.

The van can be modeled in 4 or 7mm from the Slaters kit.

The Drummond type is cat no. Z.F84

 

 but searching for LSWR Drummond also brings up:-

 

Alan Gibson Catalogue

 

7M695 LSWR Drummond chimney

 

JPL Models

 

LF 185 - Chimney SR T9 Drummond

 

Laurie Griffin does

 

6-54 - Drummond T14

 

6-57 - Adams 02 Drummond chimney

 

Not sure if any of those is anywhere close, or could be 'converted', as I suspect you will wait a long time for the ABS one unless you get lucky with second-hand..

 

Peter

Not sure about the Gibson one but the T9 chimney is a no go - far too short. I've emailed Laurie Griffin and he's confirmed that none of his chimneys are suitable but that he could be tempted to do one for the Terrier in the future.

I was hoping that Dapol would release a drummond chimneyed IoW model but they've avoided the tooling cost by going for W9, the only other Island Terrier to keep its original chimney. Some Island Terriers spent time with locally cast chimneys from Wheeler and Hurst but I can't find anything that resembles them.

Keep searching......

Where can I get a B4 chimney? I'll probably try turning one down to more a similar shape for the NSWGR N67.

I've searched all the suppliers I can think of without success. If you find one, please let me know.

Colin

Just thought I'd get in on the 'you show me yours' act

Couldn't wait for Dapol to bring out their Isle of Wight version so I did my own thing. No layout to run (pose) it on yet but all in good time!

For anyone interested, details of the conversion are on http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/102631-isle-of-wight-terriers/page-1

"I was hoping, as I heard on the grapevine that someone would do a super-detail kit, that a new chimney would become available. 32661 seemed to have a lot broader chimney in reality, as far as I can tell from photographic evidence (also spark arrester fitted)...."

Quite a few Terriers, especially ex IoW were fitted with Drummond chimneys which were wider and tapered out at the top. This was the same chimney as that fitted to the B4 0-4-0 and, as far as I know, is not available from the trade.

Having received my (non-DCC) K&ESR Terrier yesterday, I have to say that it is a cracking little model.

 

Apologies if this has already been raised/answered over the preceding 29 pages, but does anyone know where to go for a set of brass 'Bodiam' nameplates.

 

I've checked the website of my most-used supplier for 4mm (247 Developments) without success.

 

John

Try Narrow Planet for the nameplates. Their website has a large number of plate styles and allows you to specify your own lettering and size. They charge by the size (height) of the plates, not the length. Costs are very reasonable and the quality is excellent.

I've now had a response from Dapol asking me to send the incorrect rods to DCC Supplies who will send replacements. Lets hope their response is reasonably fast!

Replacement rods arrived from DCC this morning. Many thanks to Dapol for sourcing them and to DCC for their fast return service. Overall, quite pleased with the service I've received despite the earlier 'glitch' over communications.

My impression is that Dapol are doing their best to overcome the problems which bedevilled them, many of which should, maybe, have been forseen. I say maybe because hindsight is always more acute than foresight and often as not requires a lot of luck, as well as ability, to achieve. I hope the experience doesn't stop Dapol producing more models of this standard, or modellers from buying them.

CME,

 

Ref your post #836: Looking at the Hattons photos that chimney gap in the A1X is horrendous, an explanation from Dapol as to why the difference with the A1 would be nice but I guess with them that's probably not going to happen.

The chimneys are metal and a push fit into the smokebox moulding. There is a slight rounding of the top of the moulding which, if it is lightly filed flat, will allow the chimney to seat far better. It would also appear that some of the assembly workers can push them on better than others!

A point about Dapol communication. I emailed them on the 19th to let them know that one of my models had 2 left hand coupling rods so the one on the right has the joint in the wrong place and cannot be swopped as one rod will always end up wrong.

 

I received a reply from Kevin Grindley, Sales Admin Manager to say that the person he needed to speak to about this wasn't in until Wednesday but he would speak to him when he was in. I've subsequently requested a response on two occasions, the first was met with a further delaying email from Kevin, the second, last Thursday, has gone unanswered! 

 

If this is representative of Dapols 'communication' and willingness to correct their mistakes, I'm not impressed.

 

Colin

I've now had a response from Dapol asking me to send the incorrect rods to DCC Supplies who will send replacements. Lets hope their response is reasonably fast!

Thanks for that info, most useful - glad that you are enjoying them.

 

I read - in one review - that they need lubricating quite early on, within an hour or half an hour of running-in duties? Is this the case, will the new batch come with instructions on such things??

 

With thanks,

 

CME

Dapol recommend light lubrication of axles and connecting rods after running in (approximately 1-2 hours) and again after approximately 50 hours running or extended storage. The instructions, which were omitted from early deliveries are available on line at   http://www.ehattons.com/media/DapolTerrierInstructions.pdf

Thats a good idea. See what I was saying about communications, it makes me chuckle now though as worse things happen at sea - and remember, back in the day, when we would all look at catalogues (from Beatties et al) filled with artists impressions of proposed models and when the models arrived they looked like artists impressions too .

 

Looking forward to getting mine though as theyre arnt half bad!

 

BTW does anyone know - do they run smoothly? The reviews say that they do

 

ATVB

 

CME

One of my two Terriers was run for about an hour on a friends large layout and now runs considerably better and more smoothly than the other one which, so far, has only traversed a couple of yards of track.

They run well straight from the box but it appears that running in is advisable to get the best out of them.

A point about Dapol communication. I emailed them on the 19th to let them know that one of my models had 2 left hand coupling rods so the one on the right has the joint in the wrong place and cannot be swopped as one rod will always end up wrong.

I received a reply from Kevin Grindley, Sales Admin Manager to say that the person he needed to speak to about this wasn't in until Wednesday but he would speak to him when he was in. I've subsequently requested a response on two occasions, the first was met with a further delaying email from Kevin, the second, last Thursday, has gone unanswered! 

If this is representative of Dapols 'communication' and willingness to correct their mistakes, I'm not impressed.

Colin

Circling back, may I ask if its easy to remove the cab and cab interior without a major disassembly job?

Relatively easy. Start by separating the body and chassis - 4 screws from underneath; then carefully remove all the boiler fittings which connect with the cab, including the Westinghouse pump. The cab is lightly glued from below and it may be necessary to break the glue joints with a fine knife blade or they may come apart with gentle leverage,

With the cab separated, remove the bunker extension (it's a tight push fit) and the cab back will pull out. The cab floor will also pull out. The backhead is a separate layer at the front and, again, should pull out. Spectacle lenses are lightly glued in and will push out quite easily They're best replaced with a touch of varnish or Humbrol ClearFix.

The paint finish inside the cab is a very 'greasy' one and doesn't cover well. Use several thin coats or spray the whole cab interior with Halfords grey or white primer for better adhesion.

Hope this helps.

Colin

I'd very much like to replace the chimney with a Drummond chimney. Does anyone know of anywhere I can get such a chimney or, is there anyone out there who could turn one as a one off commission?, I believe it was the same as the chimney fitted to the B4 0-4-0. 

Colin