5&9Models

It's great to see these all together in one place, a very interesting cross section of late Craven and early Stroudley engineering practice all beautifully modelled.

Dare I ask where next?

1 hour ago, MikeOxon said:

on the GWR tenders the middle axle was forward!  By 1866, they were burning coal, though.

Well the GWR did like to do things differently didn’t they!  Pop goes my theory!

1 hour ago, MikeOxon said:

Several early GWR tenders had uneven axle spacing   From 1866, Swindon-built tenders had iron-plate frames and most had  6' 2" + 6' 10" wheelbase.-

It was quite common on early loco tenders for other railways too. I wondered if it was to do with the fact that they burned coke which is very light. Therefore you would need more support under the water (which is the heavy bit) and considerably less under the coke. On a six-wheel tender it would make sense to focus the support under the water by moving the middle axle back? Attached pic of Stephenson six wheel tender of the 1840s by way of explanation.

A dozen per fret. How many do you need?

18 hours ago, Railways Forever said:

Does anyone know who produces a 4mm plate that the coupler hook fits into on a wagon buffer beam preferably etched brass

 

Thanks 

Brassmasters provide them

in their very useful etch for coupling hooks. I only ever need the coupling hooks and have dozens of draw hook plates I don’t need. If you’re interested I can pop some in the post?

On 17/12/2020 at 16:02, ChrisN said:

You have on your list some 'self contained buffers', are those the sprung buffers that were designed to replace the dumb buffer on a dumb buffered wagon without having to do too much alteration?

The ones I list are specifically Stroudley’s self-contained buffers for his standardised LB&SCR wagons and vans, probably not right for your project?

On 16/12/2020 at 10:25, ChrisN said:

 

I have just emailed Chris Cox and what I am hoping is that the PO wagons are not specific to the area. 

 

Message received and replied to, thank you. The wagons aren’t specific to area so you should be fine with that. I’m also happy to supply any axleboxes, springs brakes etc if you have a scratch build in mind.

That looks fabulous! Would you mind if I shared these pictures with the Brighton Circle FB page please? I’m sure members would be really interested to see it.

Cheers

Chris

1 hour ago, Lantavian said:

 

The descriptions are supposed to be boring. That's far too interesting.

I quite like the challenge of the cryptic ones, just try the one described in Latin!

19 hours ago, Philou said:

Lizard saves desert town.

Oh! I love this film.

“Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day”.

54 minutes ago, Londontram said:

Thank you for the offer but after reading the responses on this thread I rather fancy a go now.

Go for it, it’s a very satisfying process.

On a more general note, if anyone on RMweb has a master for parts they need casting I’m always willing to help out. I don’t need to make a living from it as it’s only a hobby, so apart from the postage the costs are tiny. Always worth asking?

I sometimes have spare capacity in my moulds so if you ever want to send masters to me, I’ll happily find a space and cast up what you require.

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Very crisp work, most impressive.

Apologies for my pedantry but best corrected before you start printing. Gorgeous carriage by the way!

1 hour ago, Killian keane said:

in the view of the printed version you're looking at it from the opposite end, simple as

But then surely if the carriage only has two doors at opposite corners, you turn the 3D print around and the door is still at the wrong end?

The dandy carriage in the photo has the door at the opposite end to the printed version. Any reason for this?

On 01/08/2013 at 17:31, mikeandnel said:

I am currently in the middle of building two of John Arkell’s South Eastern Railway break (brake?) vans. These are resin castings of which John supplies the two sides and two ends, and the rest is up to you. The quality of the resin castings is very sharp but finding drawings was difficult so John very kindly supplied me with two similar drawings and so the end result should look something like!

Apart from that I have finished the 1840s Horsebox, scratch built from a drawing in the Illustrated London News about 160 years ago

I have attached photos in order to start some discussion

 

 

I appreciate that an awful long time has passed since this post but I’ve just stumbled across it and have been admiring the horse box. Please could you tell me which edition of ILN the drawing is in, I’d like to look it up?

Also, John gave me his masters earlier in the year for all the castings required to complete his resin brake vans (although which ones go with which van is unclear). I can now supply castings to suit.

Cheers

Chris

What about Mike Sharman’s Oakwood Press book, packed full of BG loco drawings?

ISBN 0 85361 314 1 

The first engine for the Holyhead Breakwater was built by Adams & Co., see attached from ‘Road Progress’ published in 1850. I wonder if this engine was used as the pattern for Longridge & Co. as the photos of Prince Albert fit W.B. Adams description very well.

Chris

Can I tap the collective knowledge of the assembled Georgians and Wilhelmines?

 

In the early days, quite a lot of railways were built not with authorisation of Act of Parliament (and thus effectively compulsory purchase) but by negotiating a system of wayleaves, traffic-related payments, with landowners. This applied to a lot of colliery lines, but also to some that eventually became part of the 'proper' railway network. In the North East the Tanfield Branch would be one, and I have an idea the Stanhope and Tyne was originally based on wayleaves.

 

My question is - did all of these eventually get superseded by Parliamentary authorisations, or was the North Eastern, LNER or even conceivably BR still shellling out on wayleaves at a much later date?

 

Blow all to do with modelling, I know, but I'm curious - I can't see the Bishops of Durham and other eccesiastical landowners, for example, readily relinquishing a nice little earner.

Very interesting question. I think the answer probably varies from line to line on a case by case basis. The Stanhope & Tyne ran up huge debts as a result of having to pay wayleaves. I would have thought that whilst many smaller branch lines and as you say colliery lines were run on this system, most passenger lines in the early days were considerable undertakings and I would have thought would only go ahead under an Act of Parliament. I suspect the major routes were planned to bypass estate land rather than pay to go over it. Worth further investigation...

This is pinched from Grace's Guide but would be another interesting lead worth following up.

And here is the method of construction for the wheels....

I wonder if this Mr Tayler had any links to the South Eastern Railway. In Gould's book there is a line about the SER having some carriages with papier mache panels. Also there is a distinct similarity to patent no. 13 (using wood or papier mache wedges to make carriage wheels) to the Mansell pattern wheels originally developed (and patented) by the SER's carriage superintendent

Certainly worth further investigation. It seems he recommends papier mache board from William Brindley in Birmingham. Makes you wonder if that's because Brindley has supplied such material to other builders in the past, or recommends his Japan Board as eminently suitable for such use? Note the spelling of Machee.

"The use of Papier Mache in Railway Carriage Construction"...I feel a Journal article coming on...!

Hang on... only 5 posts?

 

Chris?

 

Anyway, I need to order a whole host of bits from you at some point.

Yes, very few posts as I'm not particularly Tech Savvy (understatement of the century!) and this whole posting malarky is taking me a bit of time to get used to. I've only just about got to grips with the Blogging...

Anyway, I found the following regarding the use of Papier Mache and carriage construction.

It's particularly interesting that Mr Tayler suggests the use of Papier Mache for railway carriage wheels as well...!

Please excuse my lack of twiddly bits on the words Papier and Mache, my keyboard has seen better days.

Chris