BVMR21

Now to decide which to get... 🙈

Nah, even better would be this gal, nice size, and it's a Barclay.

https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/works-no-2074-ncb-no-1-llantarnam-abbey-0-6-0st/

Always this as an option...

I believe problem was on a train of 15 wagons plus brakevan, on some level track, again that was a friend's issue, my own issues are mostly due to the layout they run on (3 MK1s being hauled).

Though to take it back to industrials that would be nice to see from PI, anything large and beastly is most welcome.

As I say, from my own experience, and from the experience of people I have spoken to, the general consensus is that it is just not worth the money, really is too light of a model, compared with say the PI Victory, and whilst the motor is by far much nicer than on the DJM verions, the rest of the model is quite frankly substandard.

Is there a market for the full 18" Hunslet family in 00 to at least the same standard as Victory? I would say so. Not to mention, most people cannot do without an Austerity in 00, it's the bread and butter sort of loco that for whomever takes it on, and does it well, sell again and again.

Whilst I think there is a market for a high quality 18" Hunslet range, I would more look at the Hunslet 48150s, not the Austerity type. I think a number of people (myself included) who have the EFE Austerity do think it's a waste of money, can't pull a lot even with added weight, mechanism is mostly unchanged from DJM days, and it's just generally not a nice model; and as such I would fail to recommend it to anyone.

Though I do think it would be better to see something like the 14" 0-6-0ST Barclays, mostly because they're lovely little locos irl, obviously I have mentioned my desire to see a 16" Bagnall 0-6-0ST, and then of course there are the Hudswell Clarke PLA type things (more thinking like HC1857), all of which are decent sized locos, never produced RTR in 00, and would make decent light railway locos.

Victory really is the standard for a decent 0-6-0 industrial locomotive.

Be good to see that happen, they look good, the gearing looks fantastic, definitely something to watch and see how quickly they fly off the shelves.

1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

 

The latest update, just received, says the same.

Indeed, though I doubt that we will see these models this side of 2025.

Rather exciting, and given the RRP of £140 (£120 at retailers if using the standard 15% reduction), it's a very good value model. One or two may be ordered.

15 hours ago, The Johnster said:

What is the state of the 2007 tooling for the Bachmann 2251?  ISTR (happy to be corrected if I’m wrong) that the chassis was a development of the original Mainline split-block retooled to take an improved can motor with worm/idler gearing, a significant improvement but hardly up to current standards*.  The bodyshell tooling was based on the original ML model as well, and this is seriously compromised as the original had no backhead detail or glazing.  I think the 2007 retool had glazing but I am less certain about the backhead detail, given that the chassis blocks were developed from ML originals they protruded into the cab.  More seriously than that, the ML bodyshell had an enlarged firebox to accommodate the original ML pancake motor housing and the carbon brush springs; not even up to the better of 1980s standards! 

It is indeed a development from the original Mainline model, at least the bodyshell is, the chassis being upgraded in the mid 2000s (just a reminder but 2007 was 17 years ago), and even then there was no DCC provision, except when Bachmann removed a load of weight from the model to fit an 8 pin socket in on I believe a single run. There was some detail fitted to the cab, rather crude of course, and quite frankly the mechanism is still rather poor.

The Bachmann model isn't really that good, detail is very clunky, the mechanism is not the best, DCC ready variants are rarer than hen's teeth, and generally speaking, the model is rather elderly now.

If a new Small Prairie and 57xx Pannier are viable RTR, one does find it unlikely that a 2251 class loco, with provisions for DCC (sound or otherwise) plus a range of other things, would fail to sell.

The same goes for a new tooled Hall class, quite frankly the Bachmann model sucks, and the Hornby model is again not worth the paper the price tag is written on. And whilst I echo sentiments that an Aberdare would be good to see (there is a kit available for said model) how many people actually need an Aberdare on their layout? Compared with say a 2251, or a Hall?

Though I do not see a 2251 as an immediate imperative, unlike say a Stanier 8F with the Swindon variants, or a Hawksworth County, it is still something that needs to be pointed out as having a rather dated tooling.

This is not me saying that 2251 must be done immediately (same again with the Hall), or that the Aberdare shouldn't be done (I honestly believe to the contrary that it should be done), but more me saying I fail to see how it wouldn't sell if produced to more modern standards.

However, now Accurascale has 2 Great Western locos, some passenger carrying vehicles surely cannot be undesirable? The Sunshine stock seem to the coaches crying out in my mind, given Dapol are working on the Toplights, and with Hornby having other Collett coaches as well as the Hawksworths in their range, it would certainly provide a good variety for GWR rakes of coaches, mish mash stuff together.

11 hours ago, County of Yorkshire said:

Would definitely snap up a couple of OO Collett Goods from Accurascale. And this loco would be ripe for working inside valve gear…

You're not the only one... (are 12 Collett Goods too few?)

8 hours ago, Nova Scotian said:

Riffing on the Inland Waterways and Docks theme... how about an Avonside 0-6-0ST? Portbuy started with I.W &D, before going to PBA.

The Avonside B4s would make sense, decent size to them etc.

Though I guess there is a similar problem as to variations in that design, same with the 16" Bagnalls, or 14" 0-6-0ST Barclays, you're dependent upon it being viable to produce. Last I checked the B4 would require 2 different saddle tanks, so by far not the worst in the world. Avonside B3 though, as far as I am aware, had very few differences between class members, so may be a better option?

I do believe it's more than likely 2026 that these beauties will make an appearance.

2 minutes ago, alexl102 said:

EDIT: Unless my web browser is playing up, the S160 is no longer mentioned on the Rapido website...

Well it is...

Have to remember these were earlier than planned announcements if I remember correctly, so it's not expected to be developed as quickly as say the more recently announced projects which fit the normal announcement schedule.

Given there was the Twitter/X hint a few years back (and the others), it wouldn't surprise me if we do see the 8F materialise from Accurascale.

I have to say I am more inclined towards asking for the likes of a 16" Bagnall or a 14" Cylindered Andrew Barclay 0-6-0ST, rather than that which is essentially a "mainline" design.

Though it is up to the PI chaps to decide what would make most economic sense for them to produce as a second ready to run locomotive.

11 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

However most of them didn't work on branch lines....

 

Might be worth looking at the actual allocations of them and hopefully dispel the myth of the GWR branch line. They were just lightweight passenger engines.

 

http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/042_1400det.htm

 

http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/042_5800det.htm

 

I blame that film,,,,

 

 

Jason

Didn't know there was a 14xx based out of Brecon shed (1474/4874 appears to have been), interesting links.

Still generally speaking, people think of them as perfect branch line locos, so having them as an option to a high standard, with a quality mechanism, wouldn't go amiss. Especially when the prices and unavailability of the better of the 2 models would conduce, at least myself to believe that there is almost certainly a high demand for such a model.

Tbh, and I know I keep saying it, but we are missing an industrial 0-6-0 tank engine of some description in the Accurascale lineup, particularly when you consider there are plenty that haven't been done that would go well with the range of wagons (speaking of wagons pls pls pls do some HTVs), with the acquisition of the ex-Hattons Barclay 0-4-0s I would recommend maybe the 0-6-0ST 14" variants, then there are the Avonside B3 and B4s, as well as the 16" Bagnalls, or if you wanted to be really ambitious, Accurascale could try to do the entire 18" Hunslet family (right from the 48150, to the 50550, and the finale of the Austerity). Just some examples of course.

Was doing some research and came across this picture from Ebbw Vale Steelworks of a 16" Hunslet, allegedly works number 2082. (Photo is from the Ebbw Vale Works Museum Facebook Page).

I do think something like the 80T Hunslet 0-8-0s used at Ebbw Vale Steelworks would be good to see enter 00 gauge ready to run...

2021 class would be a good thing to see, as the direct predecessor to the 1600 class Panniers. Though the Diagram A.28 autocoaches interest me, alongside the A.26 autocoaches, it would be good to also see though a full suite of Sunshine stock coaches, and some Great Western 70' coaches as well.

12 minutes ago, MJI said:

Are there plans for MCV and MXV with no top flaps?

 

 

Believe in the launch video they said those would be in future runs, with this run being the unfitted variants.

1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

One tends to think of these big panniers as shunting engines, and indeed much of their work was of this sort, but they were much more versatile than that, used on local trips and transfers as well as the above passenger jobs.  Perhaps not what you initially think of plugging away up the 5-mile bank between Talybont and Torpantau, or disturbing the sheeps on the side of Fan Gyhirych, but they did, all the same...

7 mile bank was quite an interesting one, you can also find autocoaches occasionally making their way to Torpantau. Generally speaking, you wouldn't see more than 3 older GWR built coaches, and I do believe it was as you say a mish mash of different diagrams as to what was available. Of course Panniers only really permeated towards Brecon under BR, prior to that it was mostly GWR Deans and Collett Goods, but there are few pictures from prior to 1948 showing the Brecon to Newport services. And as mentioned in the Pannier thread, it was not necessarily uncommon to see a 57xx rescue the odd express train going into Paddington (12 coaches at an average speed of 37mph for 18 miles). Definitely worth the investment, though if there are other more suitable GWR coaches available then it would still be worth considering, given how it would be of benefit to the Accurascale range to have Accurascale GWR coaches, and particularly coaches that have not been done to a modern standard.

GWR sunshine stock is still sorely needed in 00 to modern standards, would go well with the Panniers and Manors as well...