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Nigel Digby's Liveries of the Pre-Grouping Railways describes GCR goods livery as a "light medium grey" and his illustration looks similar to Corneliuslundie's picture above, apart from, as Bill says, the solebars being body coloured.

Well it took a very long time to get the round-tuit working, but I have finally used the first set of the excellent transfers that @ianmaccormac produced for us! It was a bit awe-inspiring having to get two layers lined up, but like many things, not as difficult as you think it will be once you get started.

On 29/09/2023 at 17:20, woko said:

hope to have a more detailed explanation of the process later on if anyone is mildly interested in reading :)

I've just found this thread and I'd  definitely be interested to know what you learnt along the way to get such good results. You hinted in one of the earlier posts about breaking the prints down into smaller pieces to print...

They look fantastic, by the way!

16 hours ago, GER_Jon said:

Or this        waiting patiently in the queue

Ooh, excellent!

 

I was right: you do want to! 😁

On 02/08/2022 at 17:38, GER_Jon said:

(K9 is coming later)

Like this you mean? 😀https://www.gersociety.org.uk/index.php/locomotives/w-adams/k9

Go on, you know you want to...

Enjoying watching this develop. It's really starting to look the part!

That's looking very good,  very impressed by that shop front!

Following this with interest, looking very good so far. 

 

According to the Great Eastern Society Journal, no 40, the line was built to service the wool warehouse at London Docks,  with a hoist at the southern end to connect to the sidings within the Dock.

 

So as well as lots of GE 5 plank wagons, mostly with wagon sheets,  backed up by GE outside frame vans you could have few of the GE's rather nice dedicated wool wagons (see journal 45!).

 

The depot itself was leased by the London & St Katherine Dock Co from 1880, so that probably justifies a wider variety of wagons from other pre-grouping companies. The GN, Midland, LNWR and Tilbury all had depots of their own nearby.

 

Hope some of that helps!

 

It's well worth joining the society if you haven't already,  btw. It's not expensive and there's a wealth of material available at very reasonable costs, including reprints of journals. (Sales pitch over!)

Nicely done!

It's your railway, so you should feel free to use whatever carriages you like! If you would like something a bit more SECR-ish, the paneling on those you have is quite typical of a lot of pre-grouping coaches, so if you were to whip those clerestory roofs off and replace them with something like this, https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/carriage/c10/ (no connection, etc, etc), I think you'd have something that would look very much in keeping.

 

Hope that's a helpful and constructive suggestion! Looking forward to seeing how this develops.

Nice outside slip in that last picture! And interesting variation in the ballast. Thanks for sharing,  that's a great photograph for pre- grouping modellers!

Excellent, thanks Ian and Edwardian for doing this! Order coming your way,  Ian!

@Edwardian I'd be interested in several sets of the transfers. I currently have two rakes of suburban four wheelers in need of transfers:

The first rake is a set of the six-a-side stock from Danny's kits, comprising

2 x 2 compartment brake 3rds, 1 x 5 compartment 3rd, 1 x 5 compartment 2nd, 1 x 4 compartment 1st

The second is a rake of what John Watling of the GE society has dubbed type 3B, comprising

2 x 3 compartment brake 3rds, 1 x 5 compartment 3rd, 1 x 5 compartment 2nd, 1 x 4 compartment 1st

 

Obviously these rakes predate the later arrangement of suburban stock into standardised sets.

 

My current thinking is that I'd ideally do the rake of 3Bs with the older livery and the six-a-side stock with the later livery, so your suggestion that the sheet would have some of each livery would suit me well.

 

I have plans for more in the future, so if you need to meet a minimum order, or this might be a one-time opportunity, I'll happily buy a few more sets!

 

By the way, I note your remark earlier about only those modelling pre 1893 needing transfers for 2nd class: my understanding was that date only applied to mainline stock: reading John's articles in Journals 101 et seq, the GE contained to build 2nd class carriages for suburban stock well into the 1900s, with the later livery.

 

Thanks for taking the initiative on this, it's something I've been failing to get around to for some considerable time now!

 

Ian

Alan Austin (Ambis) is very friendly and helpful: just give him a ring and I'm sure he'll be more than willing to explain.

Looking good! On Burntisland 1883 they've done something clever with a sequence of magnets that might be worth looking at. Or, in keeping with the approach you've used for powering the turntable, maybe you could have a single magnet under the stub siding that you slide along to move the wagon. It does rely on having steel axles, of course!

Fascinating.

 

I notice the round-topped panelling and raised beading on the waist on the slip vehicle, suggesting an 1880s design. Perhaps we might call it "Stratford Gothic", though that would be just too silly, surely?

 

Had it been earlier (late 1870s), I would expect it to have the waist beading, but not the recessed panels on the upper half. Had it been later (early 1890s), it would have retained larger radius top corners, but have recessed rounded edge waist panels. Hence I suggest 1880s. This is largely educated guess-work based upon observation, as there is no work of which I know that deals with the evolution of GER coach styling, and there are few drawings available.

 

John Watling wrote a series of articles on this very subject in the Great Eastern Journal, starting in journal 101. I believe that at least some of it has also been published on the society's website.

 

edit: found the link: https://www.gersociety.org.uk/index.php/rolling-stock/carriages

Those last two photographs look very convincing to me.

If you want some GER wagons we could do those for you. you would need to buy 10 of each type and then we pick up the cost of developing the kit.

 

Marc

4mm GER wagons would be of interest to me as well. I'll have to find your website and get in touch!

I know what you mean Bob. In reality, there's little, if any, info in those books that you can't get online, but I do miss them. I am baulking a little at up to £30 for the North Woolwich one! Luckily, there's a good secondhand bookshop at Weybourne station on the NNR, so a trip there may be called for to see what they have.

I may be wrong, but I think Bob Pearman has a copy at a far more sensible price.

(No connection other than as a satisfied customer.)