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On 30/01/2024 at 10:46, Wickham Green too said:

No faff at all - I just reached into my 'Wheels' shash and picked out some Gibson wagon wheels : 12.0mm OK.

 

Probably NOT Gibson ................. ALWAYS MEASURE wheel diameters - they're often not what it says on the tin.

I’m sorry that it has taken me some time to reply, but I’d wanted to check the diameter of the wheels that I had first used. Those were 12.3 mm diameter at their smallest, but whilst I thought they were Gibsons, there was a chance they might be original Kean Maygibs.  I therefore tried some Gibson’s from a branded packet: 12.3 mm at their smallest. Maybe the variation in diameter between wheels is that much. Your advice to measure therefore seems very wise. That 0.3 mm seems to make all the difference. It is because the Accurascale brake blocks are admirably close to the wheels.

Thanks for your advice!

David

I’ve actually gone rather crazy on 21-ton minerals. I started last year by cutting down the bodies of some 24 1/2-ton Parkside bodies and using Rumney models underframes. But then Chivers brought out their kit. That includes moulded headstocks and reasonable underframe mouldings, so I used some Masokits foldup sprung chassis. I then thought that I might as well try the Accurascale way.
 

Most enjoyment? Definitely the Parkside/Rumney versions. The Rumney chassis gives excellent results. Quickest? The Accurascale, although sourcing 12.0 mm wheels should be an unnecessary faff.  
 

i’m not sure why I started on the project. Maybe because I’ve not long moved to Swansea, and work not far from the Burrows yard.

I’ll post some pictures at some point when I’ve finished them.

Thanks for your advice and encouragement!

David

15 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

I'd have to dig out various photos and the MDVs that I converted are not my own.

 

As far as I can recall, there were two major things that I did:

 

- trim brake shoes back

- use Black Beetle 12mm disc wheels (rather than 12.5mm 3-hole discs). The slightly smaller size isn't noticeable in terms of ride height, the wheels themselves are machined well and turn true and unless I told you (oh, drat, I did!), you probably wouldn't notice the lack of holes when the wagons are right-way up, on the layout...

 

Thank you! I have invested in both a set of unfitted and fitted wagons from the new batch. I’m halfway through converting the unfitted wagons.

So far, no problems. I gently removed the safety loops, released the brake gear from the chassis frame, and eased out the cross shaft from the brake vees. I did reduce the depth of the socket for the cross shaft slightly so that when I reassembled with the brake gear in the alternative locating holes that Accurascale provide for EM and P4, it sat slightly better. But, most importantly, I too used 12.0 mm diameter wheels. Mine were Kean Maygib DMU wheels. No holes, but not noticeable. The Accurascale wheels are slightly undersize—about 12.2 mm diameter at their smallest. I will try to turn down the original wheels once I get my lathe set up. I haven’t tried them on a layout.

I’ll report back once I’ve moved on to the MDWs.

Best wishes

David

I’d be interested to know whether anyone has converted this latest batch of either unfitted MDOs or vacuum-fitted MDVs to EM or P4. I was put off the first batch by stories that it wasn’t at all straightforward, which missed the point of buying RTR rather than building a kit. But there was a suggestion that the issues would be addressed in this new batch …

Best wishes

David

Thank you Steve!

On 03/09/2023 at 11:03, SteveyDee68 said:

George Dent used the kit as part of a diesel depot micro layout in an article for a MR special, and used custom brass etched windows to replace the original glazing - this (with some other upgrades such as filling in the slots for the assembly tabs) improved the kit to the point of it sitting comfortably next to a Bachmann resin product.

 

The window etches he used can actually be purchased, but as “special orders” with a price tag of £50 for a set, I decided that (for me) that was a little pricey, considering I had bought the kit second hand off eBay for a lot less than half that amount! 
 

I am hoping that a laser cut kit designer might see a way of producing suitable replacement window frames using card/board, hopefully at a far more budget friendly price!

 

Steve S

I’d be interested in the etches, even at that price, to produce a cameo where I might take photographs. Do you have a link or other contact details for who produced them?

Best wishes

David

On 05/03/2023 at 20:13, Pillar said:

Hi David. I removed the brake yokes planning to refit them, but I ended up damaging them. I'll probably replace with some etches therefore.

 

I don't think the yokes are quite wide enough for P4, but they would probably look and work fine if the brakes were chamfered as you say.

Thank you! I was asking because I couldn’t see a way to remove them without causing damage. You’ve reaffirmed my original view, although I’m sorry that you had to find out the hard way. 
 

Best wishes

David

On 19/02/2023 at 20:00, Pillar said:

I've managed to spring mine using the Dave Bradwell springing plates etch. It seems to work well so far and runs freely over P4 pointwork.

 

My steps were as follows:

1. Remove the protruding collars on the rear surface of the W-irons and smooth the surface with fine grit emery paper.
2. Bore out the existing bearing holes to be deeper and wider; first using a 2mm drill, then 2.5mm. Depth is not critical, but care is needed not to bore all the way through to the axlebox detail. This is to give room for the new brass bearings to move up and down.
3. To prevent lateral slop and restrict the bearing carriers to move up and down only, fold four U-shaped sections of 0.45mm wire so that the distance between the inner edges of the vertical members is 5mm (i.e. the width of a Bradwell bearing carrier). Glue these to the backs of the plastic W-irons, making sure they are centered; thin superglue is ideal. Trim off any excess length of the verticals.
4. Glue in plasticard rests for the springs either side of each W-iron. At one end of the wagon there is an extra rib in the underframe which will foul the spring unless an opening is made in it.
5. Make up four Bradwell bearing carriers with brass top hat bearings and spring wire. Then file the bearing back so that the overall thickness of the carrier+bearing is about 1.2mm. This is to minimise the chance of the bearing clashing with the inside of the plastic axlebox. In this process the inner pinpoint of the bearing is lost, but I found that they still work fine with plain-ended 1mm axles of appropriate length.
6. For wheels, I used Exactoscales fitted to 1mm axles. I started with their 25mm plain ended axles, but to get a good fit I ended up filing them back to about 23.9mm.

Hopefully this may be of use.

 

Cheers,

 

Liam

Thanks Liam, for such an informative post. I’m looking to convert mine to P4, so you’ve given me a head start. I notice that you’ve removed the brake gear. Others have suggested chamfering the back of the brake shoes for EM or P4. Are you planning to reposition the brake hangers and shoes? If so, are the yokes wide enough?

Best wishes

David

On 02/10/2021 at 12:54, Nigelcliffe said:

As per Izzy,  fit a decent decoder (Zimo), and a decent stay alive.  On the stay-alive, if there is room I'm now using the Lais units available from Digitrains (three different package shapes).  If tighter space there are other approaches, right down to DIY with surface mount parts.    

 

I'm assuming the pickups are working properly, and the wheels are smooth & clean. Quite a few of the wheels sold into the kit market have terrible tyre quality: pitted and scarred, which leads to poor pickup.    They can be improved by careful polishing with fine wet&dry papers.  

 

For ease of wiring, drop 6-pin and adopt Next18 instead.  Next18 sockets are available (Lais again) with large solder pads on the back for wiring.  Those include the decoder positive and negative needed for stay-alive units, and speakers (if fitting sound).  Which then makes decoder install a doddle - clip it in and job done.  

 

 

- Nigel

Thank you all once again for your suggestions. I polished the wheel flanges carefully, as suggested, which made a small improvement, but the Zen decoder still kept shutting down. I’m more convinced than ever that the contact between wire pickup and flange is sending spurious signals to the decoder which interprets as commands. So, I followed the next suggestion and invested in a Zimo decoder and Lais stay alive from Digitrains, which came 24 hours after ordering. Problem solved! The running is now exceptional and the stay alive does everything that it should.

I opted to stick with a 6-pin decoder because I’d already fitted the socket on the loco and fed it through a small hole in the cab floor. I was reasonably confident of my ability to solder the capacitor wires to the chip, and managed it without any problems. However, I can certainly see the appeal of the much bigger solder pads on the 18-pin socket.

Now  to see if the same solution works with my Judith Edge NBL 0-4-0 …

Best wishes

David

Thank you all for your suggestions. My assumption had been that the decoder is resetting if there is a momentary interruption in power from the pick ups. I was just surprised that there isn’t any hesitancy on DC. I did check the resistance between track, via wheels and pickups, to the decoder socket, and did get a short.
 

It is possible that the wheel flanges are pitted. I’ll try turning them smooth, but I am nervous about removing them from the axle too many times. they are Alan Gibsons, and they don’t take kindly to being taken on and off. I’ll let you all know how I get on.
 

Perhaps I am expecting too much of the Zen small stay alive. The DCC Concepts website suggests a run-on distance of 150 mm, but that must depend on speed, and with a 108:1 gearbox, that’s just a crawl. Interestingly, I can’t find the capacitance listed on the website. There’s not much space in the cab, but I’ll look at the Zimo range and a bigger socket.

Best wishes

David

Yes, Oldddudders! It was CV2 that I adjusted. I didn’t tinker with CV3.

38 minutes ago, Ray H said:

Have a look at the start voltage CV3 (I think). Increase the value a fair bit (think the default is 0) and see if that does anything, then slowly lower the value back down until the problem re-appears then increase the value again slowly until the problem goes.

 

We had a loco at our club that was a lumpy runner at low speed. Doing as indicated above all but erased the problem.

 

The good thing is (?) once you know (and record) the first value of any CV you wish to alter you can alter that CV using Programming On the Main - but don't forget to keep a note of any changes. Saves a lot of faffing about using the Programming Track.

Thanks for the suggestion, Ray!
 

Unfortunately, that was one of the first things that I tried. It didn’t seem to make any difference at all! It was after that test that I installed the direct connection from the decoder socket to the track feed to bypass the pickups. The loco then works faultlessly, even with a CV3 setting of 0. 
 

It’s really strange!
David

When I built the loco, I installed a 6 pin socket with connections to the pickups and the motor. To try to diagnose the problem, I’ve made a short harness with a 6-pin plug at one end and another socket at the other that I can insert between the old socket and the decoder. The wires to the motor run straight through, but I’ve attained some fly leads so that the power now runs straight from the new decoder socket and can be connected directly to the track to bypass the pick ups.

Thanks for your thoughts!

David

I have built a Craftsman 02 0-4-0 diesel shunter with a High Level 108:1 gear box and Mashima motor. The pick ups are phosphor bronze wire bearing on each of the wheel flanges. The loco runs well on DC with a blanking plug. However, I can’t get it to work with DCC. The motor turns a few revolutions and then stops. Given a nudge, the motor turns again, but for a few more revolutions. After each nudge, the motor runs for longer until eventually it turns continuously.  
 

I installed an NEM651 6-pin socket, so that I could swap decoders and blanking plugs. I’ve tried several different types of decoder, but to no avail. My most recent experiments have been with a Zen Blue+ (DCD-ZN6D.2).  To eliminate one variable,  I hard wired in the track feed to the decoder socket. The loco then runs perfectly on DCC … better than DC. That makes me think that it can’t be a problem of excessive current draw and makes me suspect the pick ups. I therefore invested in a Zen small stay alive, (DCD-SA3-SM.1). That seems to help a bit, but the loco is still unusable.

I've tried the logical things like deactivating DC and back EMF. There is no suggestion of a short across the pickups.  I’ve cleaned the track and wheels meticulously. Does anyone have any ideas? I’d be very grateful for your help.

Best wishes

David

Thank you @Nigelcliffe. I wasn’t aware of your webpage, which is a very useful resource. I’ve learnt a lot! Resetting CV29 to 28 steps did indeed resolve the speed step issue. Unfortunately, the directional problem remains. I’ll keep playing!
 

Best wishes

David

Thank you for your suggestions @WIMorrison and @Kaput! I tried running running on DC with the chip still in the loco. I only have a feedback controller, but the loco didn’t respond. That was strange, because I am sure that I have tried it before and although the performance was erratic, it did run. I also played with CV29, but that didn’t seem to make a difference. 
 

Your answers did inspire me to try something else, though. If I change the direction and then lift the loco from the track and put it back, then it works first time without spinning the motor by hand to give it a prompt. Strangely, the directional lights only now seem to work at even controller steps. I’m surprised that I didn’t notice that before, so wonder if that behaviour is new. Alternatively, I may just be unobservant! 
 

Best wishes

David

Thanks Kaput! No, I haven’t. I’ll try that too and report back.

Best wishes

David

Thanks for the suggestion. When I’ve tried it on DC, I’ve swapped the chip for the blanking plug. I’ll give it a try tomorrow.

Best wishes

David

I am trying to convert a Sutton’s Locomotive Works class 24 to DCC. I had bought the DC version, but have been persuaded by the virtues of DCC. I have installed a Zimo MX 633 P22 decoder. Initially, the locomotive runs as expected. However, when I try to change direction, the locomotive does not respond. The motor does not spin, and the lights don’t change end. But ... on spinning the motor by hand in the new direction, all of a sudden, the lights change and the motor spins of its own accord in the new direction. I swapped the Zimo decoder for a basic Bachman one, using an 8-pin to 22-pin adapter, and the locomotive behaves as it should. However, I’m keen to take advantage of the stay-alive capacitors in the locomotive so would rather that I got the Zimo decoder to work.
 

Any ideas? 
David

Might these two photos help? They were taken by my father in the early 1970s.

Best wishes

David

Dear Mike

i’m very pleased to hear that you might be preparing a P4 chassis. I replaced the wheels in my Heljan version with Ultrascales, and fitted Brassmasters replacement rods, but try as I might, I can’t get it to run smoothly. The rods also foul the footsteps. A proper compensated or sprung chassis, with bespoke brake gear,  would solve all my problems!
 

Best wishes

David

It is just the photographs! The originals were rather dilapidated when in departmental use, so I used (I think!) Railmatch faded blue. They need to be dirtied after I apply the transfers and that will darken them considerably.  I took the photos in haste today whilst the sun was shining. They aren’t really that light!

Best wishes

David

On 05/05/2020 at 18:14, YK 50A said:

 

Hi,

Yes, I am very familiar with Paul Bartlett's work and it's a great website.  The pictures I posted are from John Turner's Flickr site, which is another excellent resource.  Out of interest, what did you use for the data panels?  I'm not sure I would be able to get the white lines/boxes anywhere near close.  EDIT: I am sure I wouldn't stand a chance!

 

For those that have shown an interest, I emailed Steve at Railtec again this morning.

 

Alun

 

*** EDIT Wednesday 6th May 2020*** More dialogue with Railtec today.  I have done my best with relevant dimensions and also provided more detail regarding the prototype.

Alun,

I usually use the data panels from miscellaneous Fox transfer sheets that I have accumulated. You'll see from the attached photos that I didn't get as far as applying even the numbers or data panels. It is a long time since I got these out of my stock box, and even then, I see that I couldn't get one of them on the track! For what it is worth, these are Parkside kits, built to P4 standards with sprung w-irons and detailed underframes. 

Thanks for all of your efforts in sourcing some transfers so that I can finish them off.

Best wishes,

David 

I would be interested in some white transfers too.  Looking at the Wizard Models site, the only Mopok transfers still in stock for coaching stock seem to be yellow rather than white.

I built a couple of Parkside kits a few years ago as models of the departmental Fruit D vans, TDB975335/7/9 that used to operate between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple. There are, as ever, some excellent photos on Paul Bartlett's site at https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/fruitd. I could source the numbers and the data panels, but not some of the other markings, so the project stalled at the final step.

Best wishes,

David

I too have been wrestling with a Frogmore Toad. I wanted to produce an AA23 van for the British Railways 1963 stock that we run on Chris Lamacraft's Hemyock because there are photos of, probably the same, bauxite-liveried van in several books. Foolishly, I thought the Frogmore kit the best route.  

On starting, I thought that the rivets were a little heavy and not necessarily in the right places, so I replaced the side sheets with my own versions, hunched out with a GW Models rivet press. I also replaced the side stanchions with T section, which on the AA23 went straight down to the bottom of the sole bar, rather than being turned on to it. I fitted the more modern handrail supports, with L section brass, but they were a real hassle. I also struggled to get the body to fold up nicely, but managed to get it square and fill the gaps. I was making good progress until I realised that the footsteps to the verandah door are all wrong too. My enthusiasm waned rather after that and I still haven't finished it.

The photos show the van after the first waft of etch primer, with the roof loosely placed on. I've not yet fitted the verandah doors, because I wanted to paint the inside first. I am tempted to model the van with one of the doors open, just to prove that it isn't the Ratio or an RTR version, but they wouldn't have run like that and working hinges would look clumsy. 

Your thread will give me the impetus to persevere!

David