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I'm going to put 2 together and pretend it's a 155 windows aside

13 hours ago, Chen Melling said:

 

The JŽ /ZFBH 661 class is the EMD model G16. Below is the diagram from this model's original specification brochure (from the collection of the Israel Railway Museum). Note that the diagram has the mid-1950s cab design, as used on the single G16 demonstrator, whereas all other G16 locomotives had the angular cab roof, as on the 661. Also note that the diagram includes only a partial (head-on) representation of the dynamic brake grids and fan, as used on the 661.


If planning to model this type of locomotive, note that this has been done before:
https://jnsforum.com/community/topic/14721-yugoslavian-class-661-emd-g16-diesel-in-ho/
http://www.asalat.50megs.com/661.html
https://raymondwclam.blogspot.com/2008/06/kitbashing-emd-g16-model-in-ho-scale.html

The easiest source for the bogies in H0 is the Roco model of the Renfe 319, e.g.
https://www.roco.cc/ren/73692-diesel-locomotive-class-319-renfe.html

 

Thanks. So with a crazy Kriegslok at uk o, obtained some years ago from a GOG member, and a usa tank coming, an old mth sd24 looks like it was scaled down to UK gauge for the Kennedy, hence small size. Compared to the massive coal wagons.... did the want to send to UK as well?!?!  Scaling the MTH from 1.48 to 1.43.5 its a shoe in. Just need a cheap old model...

Perhaps the transfers can be upscale....

6 hours ago, Stefan88 said:

 

Have you tried emailing them? Their products were being stocked by a retailer in Austria a couple of years ago, but not heard anything about them since 2022. The models did exist, I've seen several being made by a few people.

The email is defunct...hopefully will return one day.

In fact here it is

A recent trip to investigate this led to much inspiration. The coal mine with a narrow gauge on a shelf above. USA ta k, the last 0-6-0t and the last Kriegslok. GE Short cabs still existing, Big GMs and narrow gauge steam and hydraulics, surely a modellers paradise. Particularly a station made from a 20ft container but with a wooden and corrugated material swiss cottage roof, it's a spotters paradise....

Any info gratefully received, particularly and 3d models the NG wagons, Narrow gauge locos....

62 125 in Bosnia is now the world's last I'm service 0-6-0T. Was active yesterday shunting wagons! Going to have to get one of these!

My completed layout is going to have authentic chocolate smell. Great choice

Lime green with a Western on one engine sound track for me.

Though iirc when looking at the original NBL blueprints the cab had 10000 sized 800 and LMS on the bonnets like 10000. A great never ozza for the LMS modeller, as it took years to build!

Does anyone know what is a Northern swoosh livery please?

Indeed the video images of Gorton built 5088 at the S&D 100th celebrations in 1925 seem to confirm the Gorton Apple green with a white line on the black frames I would say this is in Apple Green but the frame is black, and it is lettered LNER not l&ner lined Indian red, but unsure what do you think? I bet this loco impressed the North Eastern men, and led to the order for up there... it also has the side cab windows...be a good model...

Fascinating. I have looked at the plans for the first NER square roundhouse which was at Selby, it was known as Engine Stables rather than shed in 1870!

8 hours ago, Edwardian said:

I wonder if anyone can please help.

 

I am looking at a specific NER goods class, engine, specifically a Class E 0-6-0T, a shunting type. This is a J71 for those of you who speak LNER!

 

Assuming that any repaints only took place as and when engines went into works for repairs/overhaul, I have gleaned the following (sources in brackets):

 

12/1899 - Light repair - Westinghouse equipment fitted for train brake (RCTS 8A, Yeadon's 43A) 

4/1903 - General repairs  (Yeadon's 43A)

6/1904 - Gateshead Works instruction that "All goods and mineral engines to be painted black in future, using own discretion as to the amount of lining" (North Eastern record Vo.3)

1/1912 - General repairs  (Yeadon's 43A)

 

We can assume that in 1903 any repaint would be to Wilson Worsdell's lined green. If there was not another repaint, because there was not another works visit, until 1912,  January1912 would seem the earliest the engine could have adopted the lined black livery.  

 

There is a complication with this particular engine, but not one that I think affects the above assumption for the period before the 1912 works visit.

 

The fitting of Westinghouse gear in 1899, apparently the only class member to have this combination of steam brakes for the engine and air brake gear for the train, is associated with station pilot duty, but later the locomotive is recorded on supplementary passenger services. Whether these either of duties would cause the NER to maintain the locomotive in green, regardless of the incidence of works visits, is something else I do not know.  This combination of brakes was still fitted at Grouping, suggesting that the engine continued to be used for pilot and/or part-time passenger working. If so, I wonder if a repaint assumed to take place in 1912 would go to the black livery. 

 

Based on the above, is it correct to assume that this locomotive would have remained in W Worsdell's lined green at least until January 1912?

 

A further issue is the stays that were universally fitted to the front foot-steps of the class. I have so far seen no example of this in the case of a picture showing a livery earlier than 1904 lined black, which tends me to think that in the case of the locomotive in question the stays are more likely to have been fitted in 1912 than 1903, or 1899. Again, I'd be grateful for any help on this. 

 

Interesting. Which loco was it, and where allocated? The J79 at Selby iirc had a brake fitted ??? and was green for the Cawood services

Thankyou for h

On 16/11/2022 at 21:54, Stuart said:

Looking at Philip Benham's book on NYMR, he says that four-wheel coaches were replaced with 45ft bogie vehicles in 1898/9 - NER diagrams 47, 48 and 49.

Restrictions on 52ft stock were lifted in 1901 due to a programme of track improvements, and vehicles up to 65ft 6ins alowed by 1922.  All restrictions on LNER stock were lifted in 1924.

I have a note that "17.10.1964 - 6.45 pm Whitby – Malton D348 plus 4 coaches, 2 of which, E43358E and E43031E, were marked to work Whitby- Malton only. " I can't immediately find the source of this information (probably a photo somewhere but I would think the marking is the one in Railway Memories 19.

By the 60's the Malton-Whitby sets only worked between those points, with maybe an FSO extension to York; this might explain the markings?

Incidentally, by the 1963-4 winter timetable, the Malton-Whitby set was booked for BR Standard Stock, and I have read somewhere that thse came from the LTS after electrification.

 

Thankyou so much for clearing up this breadcrumb. So the were NER era restrictions, another I've found d were 4 wheel coaches until the incline was shut. These were hauled by a delightful 0-4-4 tender locomotive rather like the NBR ones...

Then the NER restrictions above.

The pair of BS suburbans is indeed the photo and we must assume a shorter wheelbase of 57 foot was to do with Whitby platform 3?  Fascinating!

The NER And GNR kept their own shades  But I thing Darlo greenness not NER Saxony Green but hard to tell. 2400 did the trial vs the A1 Pacific in full NE livery

As an aside, the M&GN had a dark chocolate engine lurking g long enough for a colour picture but they joined the grouping in 1936, but the phot is said to be 1947!

Thanks for above.. 

In railway memories 19 there is a phot o f end of a coach, it has in very large type 

MALTON

WHITBY

it states they were restricted to 45 foot coaches until tight curves were eased by the LNER after which larger locos and longe roaches were allowed. It doesn't give details of the coaches or when sadly. Wonder if it was when part was singled, but pure speculation. 

Really, the interest is in the coaches 

Hi the NYMR had restricted coaches right into BR days when curves were eased. About 46 feet ish. Does anyone have any details or information on the secret story? Many thanks

It's definitely being converted to 1500volts DC and joining 26510 as a Wath banker... looking at her the other week you can still see the 26500 number clearly under the paint and the lion too. The flamecut numberplate from 26501 turned up on a dig recently and was auctioned too! .mmm think 26500 in green and a renumbered black 26501 are they not doing any 26501?!?

Gauge wars... 0 gauge was 1:45 based on 1.25 inch track to 4ft 8.25"

It was that silly metric system that muddied the waters, so we have 1:43.5 ,1:48 and 32mm O gauge and Scale 7 diehards at 33mm which is almost right as 32.98mm is correct!  So a true Irish 3'gauge is simpler at 8/10 inch track 1:45  021 is hard, and 0 16.5 is way off!¡

So Triang 1 to 100 gave a track gauge of 9/16 inch. There

Also Midland 0-4-4t was used with 4 Clayton coaches for the inaugural passenger runs. Thes, one of the company 0-6-0ST had a vacuum pipe fitted and I have a picture, so it may well have ran into Leeds Station!

The Model is good. The Loadhaul looks a bit too clean  woo!!!