Tom Burnham

Happy birthday!

I'd have thought the sides of the original wagons would accumulate a few dents and scratches after having ten tons of coal dumped in them time after time! Certainly if BR 16 ton mineral wagons were any guide...

On 26/03/2024 at 17:26, cornelius said:

London Bridge, Charing Cross.

And one of the roads under London Bridge station, which had an atmosphere consisting chiefly of diesel fumes, had a stone set in the brickwork marking the boundary between South Eastern Railway and LB&SCR territory.  Also iron doors leading to former bonded stores - haven't ventured under there for a few years so don't know whether these features survived the drastic reconstruction of the station.

6 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

I can't imagine that ANYONE would have been keen on the idea. ...... with all those wagons zipping about the network it would have been totally impossible to run any sort of passenger timetable - or would people all have their own autonomous vehicle too !

As I recall, the idea - which was only expressed in very broad outline - was to have the network used only for autonomous self-propelled freight wagons for a period in the early hours.

The last time I remember seeing cattle trucks in use was around 1969-70 when I saw a complete train of them on the Ipswich line at Ely Dock Junction.  Didn't see if they were loaded or empty.

Snowdown colliery was right next to the Faversham to Dover main line.  Tilmanstone and Betteshanger collieries were a bit off the main line - Tilmanstone was up the East Kent Railway as you say.

16 hours ago, Dunalastair said:

This is a crop of that one early photograph of Banavie / Banavie Pier station, taken from the pdf I referenced earlier, with thanks. Note the platform edge profile.

Presumably complied with the latest and most approved Board of Trade requirements, unlike practically every other platform in the country.  There are still platforms at very much busier stations with grandfather rights from their mid-Victorian origins.

14 minutes ago, figworthy said:

 

Interesting roof on the buildings behind.

 

Adrian

That looks like the building that's still there by the entrance to what's now the Amberley museum.  I seem to recall the tiles are an early type of concrete tile but I'm happy to be corrected.

4 hours ago, Annie said:

A photo of the locomotive in question Tom.  All in all it's a most unusual beast with that narrow cab.

Thanks - as I understand it, the side rods are to do with equalising the suspension, rather than coupling the wheels together.

Interesting narrow cab on the traction engine type loco on the right. I guess so that the driver can keep warm and dry while the shunter stands next to him in the rain!

In the 1960s and 1970s (so a bit earlier than the OP), EPBs were almost universal on the Dartford lines.  The main exception was the xx.36 from CX and the corresponding up train which were semi-fast to Ramsgate (from memory) and used 2-HAP units, often in 10-car formations. Non-stop from London Bridge to Woolwich Arsenal and I think usually ran via Greenwich, although Lewisham and Blackheath was a possibility.  There was an up train of HAP units that called at Sidcup in the mid afternoon which was a rare appearance of first class there.

7 hours ago, LNWR18901910 said:

Yes, it is the West Midlands Railway.

Reminiscent of Edward Beale!

Difficult to get a really good photo of it, but the Manston Airfield Museum has a very extensive 4mm scale model of the railway sidings at the aerodrome, which formed the terminus of the Manston Camp Light Railway from Birchington.  Opened in 1918 and traffic ceased about 1925, although the track wasn't lifted for a few years longer.  The museum could do with paying some attention to the rolling stock used, but the size is impressive.

Circa 1963-4 a couple of friends and I used to spot at St Mary Cray or Sevenoaks, where we saw plenty of Kent Coast electrics and the occasional diesel.  For a change we'd once in a while go to Bethnal Green - also mainly electric but with overhead wires.  Some of the units were very similar, but exotics included the sliding door Shenfield units and most remarkable of all the Clacton corridor units painted lined maroon. And even some of the Eastleigh designed units had Gresley bogies.

11 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said:

I loved the old booking hall at St Pancras. Seemingly tucked away in a corner, generally deserted and all wood panelling with just tiny windows in front of each booking clerk.

 

In keeping with the Gothic Revival architectural style, the booking office had linenfold panelling, probably in oak.  It's included in the station and hotel's Grade 1 listing by Historic England, so I hope it survives.  I believe the booking office is now a restaurant.

On 26/06/2022 at 15:37, D9020 Nimbus said:

Why does the Bakerloo line always seem to get the oldest trains? ISTR it was one of the last London haunts of the 1938 stock, too.

And some of the Bakerloo 1938 stock sets included a Standard stock trailer, looking very dated even compared with the rest of the 1938 stock.

2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

A 'Monocabine', monsieur ...... like zis : - 

... or like zat, peut etre ?                            ( Thionville, 22/9/90 )

Ah yes, stayed overnight at Thionville in 1970.  Slightly frustrating from a railfan perspective as the door from the booking office to the platform was only unlocked a minute or two before the train was due.  Seemed very old school even 50+ years ago 

Those Premier Line enginemen will be getting ideas about having locos with proper cabs!

Couple of mine on Flickr -

The North Devon & Cornwall Junction was the last flicker of proposals going back some 75 years for a railway connection between North Devon (including ports like Barnstaple and Fremington Quay) and the south coast via Hatherleigh.  It was an independent company until nationalisation although always worked by the Southern which also guaranteed interest on the debentures.  Most of these were held by the various local authorities in the area and there was a good deal of Government support.  It's not clear that the investment of public money was ever really justified, apart from some employment during construction.

On 13/02/2024 at 16:33, Steamport Southport said:

 

Well, you have linked to Colonel Stephens whose railways did have large 0-6-2Ts and even 0-8-0Ts!

 

 

https://colonelstephenssociety.co.uk/locomotive notes topics/hawthorn leslie.html

 

 

 

Jason

 

The Callington 0-6-0Ts were a success but the Shropshire & Montgomeryshire ones weren't and were disposed of pretty quickly.  Hecate was somewhat of a white elephant on the K&ESR (apart from cattle trains for the once yearly Biddenden Fair) but was quite a useful shunter when it went to the Southern Railway.  But I don't think any main line company would have regarded any of them as large.

On 14/02/2024 at 15:26, Nearholmer said:

I’m not sure they sneaked in covertly; they were built for the line, after all.

The story goes that the operating people really liked the 2 Hawthorn Leslie 0-6-2Ts they'd inherited from the PD&SWJR (Callington branch) and wanted the Southern to buy some more, but they were obliged to make do with what could be produced in house...

On 14/02/2024 at 12:36, Wickham Green too said:

The Colonel engineered many other 'light' railways outside his 'own' empire - Hawkhurst and Elham Valley lines come to mind where Wainwright's tender locos were commonplace.

He was resident engineer (under Edward Seaton) for the construction of the Hawkhurst branch.  I wasn't aware that he had any connection with the Elham valley line.

9 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said:

The Shropshire and Montgomeryshire Railway had some LNWR 17" Coal Engines on the books, I believe?

Acquired to handle the (by light railway standards) heavy stone traffic from the Criggion branch.

Harvesting lineside hay was definitely a thing on steam railways.  The Kent & East Sussex used to auction it off.