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  2. I have only just found this thread. In the Welsh Railways Research Circle's Welsh Railways Archive Volume VII No. 6 November 2022 there was an article on the Oswestry, Ellesmere and Whitchurch Railway by Dr M Cannop Price. The only mention of milk traffic is an undated photograph showing 46510 east of Bettisfield on ex-Cambrian Railways lines hauling two coaches and four milk tanks, the train is described as the 4.25pm from Welshpool although I cannot find this train in the working timetable. The point is the photograph in the Bob Yate book did come off the Cambrian. This milk traffic would have been attached at Ellesmere. Ellesmere had accommodation for dealing with milk traffic which was authorised on 2 May 1935, at Overton-on-Dee there was a CWS Milk Factory, date unknown, and off Pickhill Halt there was a Cadbury’s Creamery siding which came into use on 29 October 1937, Ellesmere -Wrexham branch. The WTT for 18 June to 9 September 1962 shows there was a shunting engine at Ellesmere between 2.00 pm to 6.30 pm for “Shunting and attaching milk and pilot trip to and from Elson siding.”. There was a station stop of 5 minutes in the WTT. The Wrexham branch became freight only from 10 September 1962 and truncated south of Cadbury’s siding and worked from Wrexham. I have a photograph dated 15 November 1962 at Ellesmere where an Ivatt 2-6-0 is attaching two milk tanks to the rear of the 12.35 PM Aberystwyth to Crewe. There was another milk working from Ellesmere which ran as required seven days a week. I have two photographs, one at Whitchurch the other under the wires at Gresty Junction, Crewe with 2251 Collett Goods hauling five milk tanks with a BR Standard Brake Van at the rear, one dated 5 October 1960 and the other undated. The return journey to Oswestry was a Light Engine. Whilst I appreciate that Q "Runs as required" needs treating with caution, this particular working I can trace back to to the LMS WTT of 11 September 1933. There was another source of milk traffic and that was from Kilkewydd Siding (Midland Counties Dairy Ltd.) north of Welshpool. Whilst there were wagon turntables at Kilkewydd there is no photographic evidence of milk tanks there. The summer 1939 WTT shows a runs as required train left Welshpool at 4.15pm, arriving at the siding 4.22pm, departing 4.33pm for Forden arriving 4.40pm, departing 4.57pm and then returning to Welshpool arriving 5.10pm. This section was double track. There are seven shunting turns listed for Welshpool in this WTT.
  3. Have a look at Penmaenpool sub shed to Machynlleth.
  4. Chris, it is not on the wrong line as it has entered the single line. The line behind is a headshunt off the up platform. See latest Cooke Track plan No. 63.
  5. The first Manors venturing onto Cambrian lines were via Ruabon to Barmouth. Clearance tests took place on 31 October 1938. The Carmarthen to Aberystwyth route was upgraded to ‘Blue’ on 2 May 1939. The Oswestry to Aberystwyth route was ‘Yellow’ but became ‘Blue’ with siding restrictions in 1941. Oswestry’s first Manor allocation was in 1943. It appears during GWR days they did not run on the coast line except between Barmouth Junction and Barmouth. (Source Peto’s Register of GWR Locomotives Volume 2 Manor 4-6-0) For coaching stock before 1940 it would have been a mix of GWR clerestories, GWR Bachmann Colletts , GWR Hornby Colletts, ex Cam Rys 45ft and 54’ 6” coaches as well as LMS through coaches including ex LNWR.
  6. It originally had two traversers, see https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrms1711.htm and http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/b/birmingham_moor_street/index0.shtml
  7. I have seen a transcript of an allocation and workings list of GWR brake vans in use between Oswestry and Moat Lane for 1942. Were there such lists prior to WWII?
  8. I can remember having sterilized milk when visiting relatives in Wolverhampton in the 50s and 60s. Alan
  9. I found it interesting to see the mix of maroon and blue/grey coaching stock on these trains in April 1967.
  10. The last time I visited Dudswell which is about 6 years ago the trees had blocked the down view and the up was becoming blocked. Alan
  11. It can be ordered from Aspect design - Quiet Between Trains . Alan
  12. See also https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/gallery-new-book-shines-light-on-the-last-days-of-steam-in-south-ceredigion-600480 Same photos but better formatting. Alan
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