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3 hours ago, BachelorBoy said:

I have vague memories that the Southern did actually consider buying a Garratt. 

3 hours ago, BachelorBoy said:

I have vague memories that the Southern did actually consider buying a Garratt. 

Yes that’s true, in the mid thirties the idea was to build a set of 4-6-2 2-6-4 Garretts for the Basingstoke Exeter line.  It went as far as getting a quote from Beyers and the board authorising the purchase.  It petered out due IMHO to Maunsells health issues but for Southern modellers it gives an excuse to run the U1 ‘on trials’ at least that’s my excuse 

Got mine today and it looks very nice somehow though I managed to stab myself in the nostril opening it 😂

6 hours ago, Robin Brasher said:

I have not got much knowledge of LSWR coaches but there is a picture of Adams Radial no. 426 with a rake of main line bogie stock at Challow Hill cutting  circa 1902 on page 103 of Swanage 125 Years of Railways by B. L, Jackson. To me the coaches look like an LSWR cross country set as modelled by EFE.

I hope you don’t mind but if the date is correct then it wouldn’t be the cross country sets as modelled by EFE, they were built between 1908-12.  it could be one of the Suburban sets built around the turn of the century 

Oh boy this was rather unexpected.  I will be ordering one as she was SR based during my modelling period.  
FYI this was the engine that infamously during her sojourn at Derby MPD had to by run up and down the yard by a pilot engine to charge the batteries enough to switch her on!

Why Mr Rapidoandy I do believe you’re spoiling us

16 minutes ago, D9020 Nimbus said:

It wouldn't have been my first choice (a J69 — later, maybe) but I've just pre-ordered a BR early crest one. Leading to thoughts of a Minories somewhere using this and the Hornby L1s… somewhere on ex-GC routes in the Manchester area, perhaps?

Of course if you model the right period you can model them on the GE.  My dad used to commute through Liverpool Street during the early 1950s and used to reminisce about the time the traverser was under repair in 1951 and A5s wren working trains instead of tender engines.  Although he was a GWR man he had a soft spot for the A5s as well as the Buckjumpers

Coincidence does seem to have a sense of humour.  I got a copy of Kevin Robertson’s The Railways of Winchester and there on page 36 was a photo of Bar End goods shed on the DN&S in BR days with three Iron Minks in front.  No date I’m afraid but based on other pics by the photographer I’m guessing around 1960

I think we might just have to adjust  ourselves to this new reality I’m afraid.  Do I like it?  Not particularly but I’ve ordered a BR version and as I’ve got some Oxford Rail wagons on pre order will have them all  shipped in one go which saves on the postage.  Oh and talking to the chap at Rails there’s a distinct possibility that we’ll get a yellow Portland Cement version in the future.

I hope the group won’t mind my input but I got mine this morning so thought I’d post a pic.  I haven’t managed to put her on track but from my (admittedly poor) eyes there doesn’t seem to be an issue with the tender or the number.

I’ve already ordered three (one five plank and two seven planks) and I’m really hoping these herald a series of accurate Southern prototype wagons

With regards to banana van working D W Winkworth has a section on banana trains in Southern Special Traffic.  He gives an example of a block train from Avonmouth up the GW main line to Reading then via the Southern to Redhill where the train was broken up and individual vans were forwarded to various destinations by ordinary train.

Oh very well done AS.  Not a Southern loco (cough cough) but a beautiful model and at a very reasonable price so I may just add one to work the Portsmouth to Cardiff interregional 

I have to admit I’ve already ordered a Crimson Van as this has been very high up on my wish list.  

As Frothfest 2021 has (semi) officially started I thought I’d add my 2ps worth.  Please note this is not a wish list but my thoughts on what might be on Hornby's  radar;  

firstly I’m feeling that a Saint might just be on the cards and I wouldn't  be surprised to see some Toplight coaches to go with her.  

Secondly i’m not seeing any LNER steam this year but we may se an original Patriot as the new build is getting close, and some more Period three coaches. 

A period one engine may be coming and Lion may be it but I seem to remember reading that the tender currently with her is not the original so that may be an issue.

A new decent wagon is a fair bet and I’m thinking an iron mink or similar wouldn’t totally surprise me.

a WOW model, something that no one saw coming that will grab the headlines, I leave the identity to our fevered imaginations!

and finally an industrial which I wouldn’t be totally shocked to see a being a Manning Whadle (think of the light railway liveries).

18 hours ago, 1466 said:

I apologise in advance for my vague replies.

First of all I lived in Mitcham  which was the location of one of Benzole’s sites . So a personal connection.

Secondly , Mitcham was in Southern Railway and then Southern Region territory . So it is entirely possible a Benzole tanker would be appropriate for a Southern layout .

Third , all petrol was “pooled “ during the war so all tankers would have been shared and therefore ubiquitous. You can run any tanker  anywhere credibly as they would have travelled widely .

The “pool” arrangements ceased around 1952, I think , and branded petrol was marketed .

I’m persuaded you could run any of the pre war tankers , if you wish . Probably weathered .

Any livery introduced say post 1952 would be anomalous since new liveries were  only slowly  introduced .Everything was still rationed immediately post war .

But , most importantly, Rule 1 applies .

The Oxford tankers have been well reviewed and I’m pleased with mine . Usual disclaimer.

 

I hope you don’t mind if I elucidate a little.  As you rightly say all tank wagons for petrol and fuel oil were pooled in 1939 when the government took over the supply and distribution.  This ceased in 1947 when the tank wagons were handed back to their owners, and MOS and Air Ministry tanks were distributed as well.  

Its known that some tanks in the pre 1939 stone livery were still to be seen in the early 1950s but please don’t go overboard on the weathering as class A tanks tended to be not as mucky as the class B fuel oil variety

I think I’m stepping into a minefield here so here goes; the buff colour was introduced for class A tank wagons in 1907.   In 1939 the livery was changed to the silver grey livery with red solebars but almost immediately changed to a dull grey for obvious reasons.  The silvery grey livery was reinstated post WW2 but the buff livery lasted for some time as BR allowed companies to use it as an alternative into the early 1950s.  As for the pictures of the ShellMex BP tanker it’s lettered correctly with Shell on one side and BP on the other and is known as the type one livery which lasted until the late 1950s.

I think I couldn’t look myself in the mirror if I didn’t order one

7 minutes ago, Right Away said:

Last time I looked, the early BR version was still available for £69 at Kernow's!!! 

Just a renumber required and perhaps a little weathering to blend.

Thanks for the heads up.  I also noticed that Rails has the sunshine version for the same price, which rather makes my point 

Looking at the announcement my first thought was £200 for a re-livery of an existing model?  Whilst I'm glad to see more birdcages, the RRP for the C is I’m afraid to say rather extracting the urine

Perhaps I’m being a bit felicitous but I’m wondering if Rails will do a version in their 3D range before we see Kernow’s release?

My first thought looking at the new releases was not much for the Southern but reflection made me revise that thought.  If the crane is at a reasonable price then I’ll definitely be getting one and those GE vans got about quite a lot.   I’ve seen several pics of examples on Southern rails so overall not bad.  Well done Oxford  

As a Southern modeller not my area but I’m definitely thinking an experimental run to compare with my 10201 will be necessary.  The question is if they can make the sound right and add some smoke effects will they duplicate the alleged laxative effect that the exhaust had on passengers riding in the first few coaches? 

41 minutes ago, Big James said:

I find it amazing. When we visited the bluebell my partner who only has a passing knowledge of railways from her grandad and dad didn’t realise how old some actually was till she saw the builders plate on fenchchurch and 488. Amazing that 488 even survived at all. Isn’t Fenchurch one the oldest operational steam locomotives in Britain. I know the design of the Beattie well tanks are older but both survivors was built after Fenchurch. Back in topic I’m gonna pre-order one the ex isle Wight terriers I think. 
 

big james. 

I believe the oldest working engine at the moment is Furness Railway number 20 ( another attractive small loco) which I believe was built in the early 1860s

6 hours ago, JohnR said:

I hope that The odd one in the early 50s in East Devon wouldn't hurt then...

So checking Volume Three of Southern Wagons five of these were in general traffic until the mid 50s so I think you can justify at least one.  As I’m modelling the Hants/Dorset border in the early 50s I’ll be getting one, and don’t forget some were in engineering service well into the fifties

I have to admit I’m thinking that when it’s finally released I’ll add one to the fleet.  As a Southern modeller circa 1953 I can justify one and it’ll make a nice contrast with my 10201, and the twins routinely worked singly on the Southern so no need of 10000!