Mark1909

On 15/01/2017 at 23:23, 18B said:

The first Class 08 withdrawn was D3193 in 1967, would anyone happen to know why this loco was withdrawn so early?

Photographs of this loco appear to be non existent too. I would have thought that photos of it at the Derby Works open day in 1967 would have emerged.

On 25/08/2021 at 23:14, Wickham Green too said:

That would have been some job for the apprentices  -  reassembling it from a pile of scrap it was reduced to the previous September !

Sorry. it was August 1967 it was seen in the works general repair shop and not 1968 - my typo

I have been searching the internet and numerous books for a photo of D3193.

Does anybody have a photo of this loco at all that they would like to share ? 

Incidentally, it was reported that at the Derby works open day in August 1968, the loco was in the ‘General Repair’ works. 
 

Mark

On 23/09/2010 at 22:38, deltic17 said:

Brian,

Firstly - that's a nice job you've done on the Deltic - by the way I have a question - you know the photo above showing the Deltic with etched DJH headcode panels - do you or anyone else know where you can buy such 'plated over' headcode panels in 7mm? without having to buy a whole DJH kit!. I'm sure someone must do them but I never seem to see them advertised anywhere - or are they in the MMP loco details set? - although that is £30+?????

Hi, I have purchased 7mm size cover plate for a deltic from protoneo.com they do a few parts and accessories as well as nameplates. I am looking at the marker lights and possibly maybe using a thin plastic sheet, they do not look white, maybe a hint of grey in the colour ? Hope this helps, Mark

2 hours ago, Alan Kettlewell said:

I love my Roco Z21.  A 3.2 amp system with wireless control, operated using your smart phone or a tablet - I use both.  Friends can join in too using their own smart phone or tablet.  With it you can also draw your layout plan on screen if you wish, and operate turnouts and accessories by touch control  - but you don't have to, that's optional as a conventional mimic panel can still be used.  

 

There are numerous connections allowing connection of a host of different handheld units if required, supports feedback control, accessory decoders and even secondary DCC systems, also supports additional boosters if you need more power than the 3.2A provided. 

 

All in all a very robust bit of kit that just works.  

 

Cheers ... Alan

 

Many thanks Alan,   I am wanting to keep it simple but I am thinking that in the not too distant future, it could be deemed that using a smartphone or tablet will simply be "keeping it simple" as the hobby progresses with future technology.  I am not wanting to overload myself attempting to understand things as it easy to get bogged down or over think something that is quite easy.  I will give this system some serious thought. 

On 19/11/2020 at 19:41, grriff said:

Depends whether you want to use a computer. A Sprog3 with a 15V supply may provide sufficient power. This will be controlled by JMRI software running on a computer with the 'Engine Driver' app running on a smartphone to give you hand-held control. I use a similar system (but for 00) and find it easier to use than my neighbour's NCE system, which he likes.

The general advice (pre-covid) is to visit a shop selling a variety of systems to see them demonstrated.

Thank you Grriff, I'm not really too bothered about using a computer.  I do think what you suggest  will probably be the best way forward or join a local MRC and see how and what they use. Hopefully one day soon......

We are a few years on from the original post and technology has advanced quite a bit as we all know.   I am about to start looking for a hand held wireless control system myself for my O gauge layout. probably have 3/4 locos sound switched in at any one time for a layout 24x4 ft.  Does anyone have any system that they use that they would recommend or advise to take a look at ?

Many thanks for any help/advice,

Mark

D2289 has a rubber seal around the cab side and cab front windows as opposed to aluminium.  can anybody confirm that this is authentic to BR ? Was it a later modification to existing survivors  when the locos were repainted blue or was this just for Southern Region locos ?  Many thanks, Mark

Thank you everybody for your help in finding out what happened to the "Dakotas"

Below is info from a website, however Bernard Pourrieres website shows photos of one numbered "CC65500 no. 0736"  recently painted in yellow.

If this is refurbished 65522 or one of the others that was at Avignon/Miramas remains to be seen. 

The information I have posted below concerns the locos that were sold early on, i have no information regarding the locos that survived with SNCF into the 2000s.

Engins préservés :

* CC 65506 : Preserved at le CMCF, à Oignies (62) - En attente de restauration

* CC 65507 : Sold to  Seco Rail puis Colas Rail - N°EVN : 99 87 9 481 510-5 -Scrapped en 2015/2016 at Lens

* CC 65510 : Sold to Drouard (AT3 PSE 003), puis ETF : N°EVN 99 87 9 481 514-7 ex AT3 ATA 0380 - Scrapped

* CC 65505 : Sold to Drouard (AT3 PSE 002), puis ETF : N° EVN 99 87 9 481 513-9 ex AT3 ATA 0326 - Scrapped 

* CC 65512 : Sold to TSO - N°EVN : 99 87 9 481 512-1 - Preserved at  l'APPMF de la 230G353, at Gièvres (41) en 01/17

* CC 65522 : Sold to TSO - N°EVN : 99 87 9 481 511-3 ex AT3 RO 007 

Cheers,
Mark
 

The SNCF had 35 Sulzer engined diesel locomotives numbered 65501 - 65535. After withdrawal a number of these were kept back for working ballast trains on TGV high speed lines.

In the late 1990s and early 2000s I photgraphed a number of these on Avignon depot and Miramas stabling point. By now they were stored as work had come to the end. I've attached a photo of mine, CC 65517 sat on Miramas 2.9.2005

Does anybody know where they are now or what became of them ?

Many thanks,

Mark Jones

Bearing in mind how recently they were scrapped I hope some of the spares found their way back to the UK?

Couldn’t possibly say to be honest, I do know 9549 was for sale at 30,000 euros. Which for s loco that was no longer uk standard gauge would have surely only been suitable for spares / static exhibit. If anyone went over there for parts I don’t know. Information was and still is little known about their life in Spain.

Thank you EddieB,

Had a look back on the IRS forum where I posted the sighting in January 2003. I received a reply to my post;

Oxiacero S.A. is the name of the firm next to the N232 road from
Zaragosa - The south where ex BR class 14 D9549 lies.
I arrived in the town on friday night and after a night in a
good/reasonable hotel I walked out to the site, finding it easy
enough.
The loco looks in reasonable condition and had, however approximately
20 (yes twenty) steam loco's for company all awaiting scrapping in a
variety of gauges from metre - broad gauge, the small ones with the
large cow catchers fitted ! also seen where two small diesels I
would say are 600mm. There was nobody around to enquire with apart
from a dozen or so scrap men, who advised me, after I made my
detailed observation of the paxman, to return on Monday to speak to
the manager but as I returned home late Saturday I'm now in the
process of writing to them for information regarding the other two
paxmans which I fear may bring this remarkable story to an end.
Will advise further.

"I was in Zaragoza in September, and met the owner Senor Lopez. To
say the steam locos are "awaiting scrapping" is not quite correct.
Senor Lopez is well aware of the historic/heritage value of his
collection, and is in no hurry to scrap them. After all, he's had
them for 15 years or more. Having said that, one must question the
value of the 9 Rio Tinto locos, which are of an odd gauge (so no
Spanish preservation group will want them, except Rio Tinto itself
which has better locos already). As for the Paxman, I must confess
I didn't pay it much attention, not when there were four beautiful
O&K's to look at instead!

Martin Murray"

¿Quién sabe?

It was reported that 9549 was cut up in the 2000s. I did not see any of the other two there.

I wrote to the firm enquiring about the Paxman locos as I guessed the owner had a slight interest in Railways due to the large number of steam locos present. There were a couple of NG steam locos from South America too, when i visited. I received a reply saying they had cut up the other two that I had enquired about. How factual this is I can not say. I would guess 9548 has gone and as no photos have appeared of 9515 since its days stored at Chamartin I will let you draw your own conclusions on that also. However Guy Trittons’ photo of the three lined up in 1984 showed all three had the light clusters just above the buffer beam on each corner of the locos. The last photo of 9515 in 1988 that I have seen shows to have had them removed... Hmmm why ? (Bearing in mind 48 & 49 carried them into the late 1990s/ early 2000s,

I would dearly love to be proved wrong on their demise !

Here are the links to the Spanish trio on railphotoarchive.org, taken on 27.3.82 at the Hunslet workshops, unfortunately 9548 & 9549 are the wrong way round, there is another photo of 9549 on there to corroborate this.

It was possible to identify all three individuals externally by subtle detail differences.  This was as per their days in UK industry which did not change until a few years later in Spain where it would appear 9548 & 9549 had the same two bulb square headlights. 

Besides the four different headlights the locos were exported with (9515 having slightly differential headlights at each end), it is possible to compare all three photographs below looking along the sole bar of the locos and you will see 9515 & 9548 had three brackets fitted to the "long end" of the loco, 9549 did not have these fitted. 

http://railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoomx.php?img=0955000579000&Tag=d9515

http://railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoomx.php?img=0955000580000&Tag=d9548

http://railphotoarchive.org/rpc_zoomx.php?img=0955000581000&Tag=d9549

9548 (carried the Spanish infrastructure running number P-602-03911002-CMZ  appears to have had a flat roof until, for what ever reason had the roof re-profiled to a curved roof. Both photographs give the same Spanish running number before and after the roof was altered:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/47704640@N02/8712695233/in/photolist-egUQKk

https://www.rcts.org.uk/popup.htm?img=%20D9548%20Sagrera%20Barcelona%201998&cl=diesels

I agree with Peter, no doubt in my mind the two locos photographed by EddieB are 9515 & 9549. By that date 9548 had been moved working for CMZ( Cubiertas & MZOV). photo above.

Together with the photos that have surfaced of the loco believed to be 9549 (P-601-0-3911-003-CMZ) around the north west, I wonder if this was "their patch" so to speak.

I have seen photographs online of all three 14s being re-gauged & repainted, if I can find the links I'll post them.... If this work extended to an actual overhaul of the loco I don't know.

This information is on the facebook class 14 appreciation group:

9548 had a the middle raised section of the roof removed and a flat roof fitted in place due to a low bridge on the Harlaxton Quarry lines enabling locos to go under the A607 Grantham - Melton Mowbray road at Gorse Lane.

9549 was believed to have been the loco that "went over"  due to not having been drained of its fuel. I was told that the loco looked like another 14 had sat on top of it ! However the cab was rebuilt and the loco was sent on its way