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  1. 25 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

     

    Where are you looking. Joe Greaves' Index has three references: Ian Pope's PO Wagons of the Forest of Dean, which I don't have, Turton's Vol. 8, which appears to be a rare error in the index, and Simon Turner's PO wagons of the South East, Vol. 2, which covers LBSCR territory. 

     

    None of these as I don't own them - Mostly online searches and going down rabbit holes, hence why I come here to people far more knowledgeable on where to source such information!

     

    25 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

    This is in Hurst Nelson's fancy photographic livery so Rapido's plain black is a reasonable assumption based on the photo of No. 519 - the layout of the lettering is the same.

     

    The Rapido model is green, but otherwise matches the photo well!

     

    Thank you for the information. LBSCR certainly seems the most likely. I'll have think...

     

    - James

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  2. I had posted this last night and then deleted it in fear I was mistaken in questioning it, but I'm surprised that payment is being taken when we haven't even had decorated livery samples yet? Usually it's pay up front on ordering, or pay when the item is available, right? 

     

    (I'm not actually complaining, I have too many pre-orders due to land at once so paying one off early benefits me!)

     

    - James

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  3. On 28/02/2024 at 11:52, RapidoCorbs said:

    It's on the list to adjust the Jones green livery as well, closer to the colour in Moore's painting.

     

    Hoping to have them here Q4 2024.

     

    Will revised decorated samples be shown before release?

     

    And was any conclusion reached regarding claret frames under the boiler? 

     

    (Apologies for the additional questions!)

     

    - James

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  4. 3 hours ago, wainwright1 said:

    When you say that the paint is not fully dry, did it eventually dry properly ?

     

    From experience with Phoenix paints, they can take quite a while to mix properly, maybe twenty minutes or more.

    Perhaps try mixing the paint again and test it on a piece of primed material and see if the colour changes to that on your wagon.

    The large tins are the worst, you can end up with arm ache by the time it is fully mixed and dries correctly.

     

    All the best

    Ray

     

    I took the photo within an hour of painting it, so it was still tacky/not dry. It dried properly overnight but it was still very dark compared to what I'd expect GCR grey to be. 

     

    - James

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  5. 1 minute ago, corneliuslundie said:

    I am sure my GCR wagons are also painted with Phoenix GCR wagon grey and they are quite a light grey colour, though I n o longer have the tin so cannot be sure.

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    Not that I am a modeller of the GCR in particular so don't take what I say as authoritative.

    I am not sure why it looks so pink as it doesn't in real, life.

    Jonathan

     

    Yours is more like what I was expecting from mine. It's almost like a Midland grey, so I wonder if my tin of LMS grey would suffice 🤔

     

    - James 

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  6. Hi all!

     

    I'm currently building a kit for a GCR Dia.8 open wagon and, not being a GCR man, I did the cliché and purchased a tin of Phoenix "G.C.R Wagon Grey" (P606) trusting this would be (approximately) the correct shade. However, having done the first coat*, I can't help but feel it looks too dark compared to what I have seen of GCR wagons.

     

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    *a not entirely dry first coat in that photo.

     

    I know there's no such thing as "exact shades" for wagon liveries, especially greys, but I'd like to get my one and only GCR wagon looking close to an approximation of what it's meant to represent, so I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for an appropriate shade for GCR grey?

     

    Please and thank you!

     

    - James

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  7. I hadn't realised, until seeing the photo of the painted samples from the rear doing the rounds on social media, that the rear bufferbeams of the Jones and Drummond examples were green and lined as if they were panels on the body proper (I did check the literature and there is a lovely painting by Arthur Wolstenholme that shows this on the Jones livery). 

     

    - James

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  8. 14 hours ago, Ian M. said:

    Rapido,  can you confirm no buffer beam numbering on the Jones Green? Any photo evidence?

     

    7 hours ago, RapidoCorbs said:

     

    I confirmed it here:

     

     

     

    Also see the aforementioned books, 'Highland Railway Liveries' by Howard Geddes and 'The Liveries of the Pre-Grouping Railways Volume Three' by Nigel Digby.

     

    - James

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  9. 1 hour ago, RapidoCorbs said:

     

    A couple of these things came up in our discussion with the HRS and looking at the sources/photographs. The colour paintings conflict on a few points as do the written accounts and it is possible there was more than one application of the style.

    I do not wish to infringe copyright so will not post the whole photo here but this is an excerpt of a photo of 116 in full Jones livery.

     

    The centre of the boiler bands is black which shows as much darker than the wheel tyres, which are a close match to the wheel centre in shade.

    Likewise it shows that the outside of the wheel weight is dark and the centre of the weight is lighter.

     

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    The cab interior colours are slightly different depending on the loco, unfortunately we could not convince the factory to scumble the interior walls ;)

     

    Claret frames - will check sources and confirm.

     

    Thank you for clarifying and for the informative example! 

     

    - James

  10. On 16/02/2024 at 13:32, drt7uk said:

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    I know there's a few things noted for correction so I may just be repeating what is known, but looking at the Jones liveried example, and cross referencing with 'Highland Railway Liveries' by Howard Geddes and 'The Liveries of the Pre-Grouping Railways Volume Three' by Nigel Digby, a few things are worth noting:

     

    The tyres should be black instead of olive and the balance weights should be olive and lined, like the axle centres (this may be present, but it's difficult to tell from the photo). 

     

    Additionally, the section of frame above the running plate/below the smokebox and boiler should be claret along it's length, rather than claret under and forward of the smokebox and then olive under the boiler.

     

    There's a discrepancy regarding roof colour; Digby has these as "painted black in traffic, not white as often pictured" but Geddes has these as white in keeping with a lot of illustrations of the Jones livery. I guess this would be better verified by prototype photos.

     

    According to Geddes, the "buff" colour seen in the cab interior photo appears to have been introduced after 1902, with the earlier liveries (Jones and Drummond I) having the upper cab interiors "grained" and the lower interiors in olive green (or "dark olive green" for the Drummond I example).

     

    Those points aside, it's looking good so far and I can't wait to receive mine!

     

    - James

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  11. 25 minutes ago, Garethp8873 said:

     

    Yes I can answer that. 

     

    73007 - Date of build is unknown.

    2080 - Approx build date is around 1910.

    73804 - Van is identical to the example in Caledonian Wagons. Example in the book is 73814 but still the same van. 73814 was built in 1917 so I'd expect 73804 is around the same period too.

    4543 - Approx build date is around 1910.

     

    SRPS has 73007 as built circa 1920

     

    http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10048.htm

     

    I guess logically the best/earliest representative will be 4543 as it has an earlier build date but is also modelled as having split spoke wheels and single sided brakes.

     

    - James

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  12. 7 minutes ago, Garethp8873 said:

     

    Yes I can answer that. 

     

    73007 - Date of build is unknown.

    2080 - Approx build date is around 1910.

    73804 - Van is identical to the example in Caledonian Wagons. Example in the book is 73814 but still the same van. 73814 was built in 1917 so I'd expect 73804 is around the same period too.

    4543 - Approx build date is around 1910.

     

    Righteo, thank you kindly!

     

    - James

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  13. For those who are not knowledgeable on CR rolling stock; of the four CR liveried vans, are there any differences that denote a different placing within the era? I.e are all four suitable for an as built/1903 scene, or are some from later batches etc? (Or, perhaps worded better, which ones are the earliest examples?) 

     

    - James

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