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On 12/06/2020 at 18:21, jwealleans said:

 

 

 

WOW WOW WOW!

Italian Hb refrigerated vans in OO! Really beautiful! It was the refrigerated version of the Fb van, the "British Loading Gauge" version of the ubiquitous F type van.

Here there is a preserved Fb, still unmarked - they are waiting for the registration of the rolling stock before paint markings, since it will run as bicycle transport on touristic trains - https://www.societavenetaferrovie.it/carro-21-83-21-48-963-3-fb-1931-sagoma-inglese/

 

On 12/06/2020 at 18:21, jwealleans said:

 

 

 

Top here is a ROCO Rivarossi Italian ventilated van, balanced on top of a scratchbuilt refrigerated one.  Because ROCO used a bizarre scale, this van is something like scale width and 2mm too short for 1:76, or scale length and 2mm too narrow.  I forget which .

 

 

Warning, the top model is for a continental F van, the lower one for an Hb.

In real life, Fb vans are a bit narrower and lower than the F counterparts. As for lenght I have still to check since the only restored vans in SVF fleet in Primolano are an Fb and and FF (longer, for parcel services). There are indeed F pattern vans in Primolano, but they need restoring and are seldom coupled with the restored ones, so rough lenght comparison was impossible.

Roco and "new Rivarossi" use 1:87 and I am unsure if Roco makes an Italian F van. "Old Rivarossi" used 1:80 scale. Hornby acquired the "new Rivarossi" molds. H0 dimensions should be multiplied by 1.145 theoretically, but since the Fb should be roughly 2 inches narrower, this means that a correctly scaled H0 Fb should be 0.64mm narrower than an F.

Those who consider altering a preexisting H0 F van might consider working on the kits shown in this page (it is advised to use supplied plastic wheels since metal ones might wear out the "bushing"): https://www.duegieditricestore.it/50-kit-ttm/
 

'Railway Liveries, 1923-1947' by Haresnape was rather useful, from my memory, and I believe it did cover some of the Southern's pre-grouping constituent liveries. It was very interesting, and there's also mention of Southern experimental liveries from 1922 through possibly '24 if that's of any interest?

 

Liveries generally for the two companies can be found, however, on these pages:

 

SECR-

 

http://www.southeasternandchathamrailway.org.uk/shorthistoryofsecr.html - ''During his tenure locomotives and coaching stock displayed high standards of appearance and presentation, with the “full Wainwright” livery for locomotives being one of the most elaborate and decorative to be seen in the UK, until simplified just before the Great War, and in due course being replaced with plain greenish-grey. Similarly, coaching stock was of neat appearance and attractively painted, lined and lettered, at least until the plain brown livery of the war years replaced Wainwright’s crimson lake.''

 

Full Wainwright here would be black footplate tops and smokebox, tender/bunker interior and cab roof. The green is Brunswick, with red-yellow-red lining bands, and a red underframe (I'd try Vermillon red). Brass fittings were the order of the day. Coming into 1914 onwards, the liveries were simplified to more of an appley green with no lining. The obvious wartime livery for locomotive was all-over grey bar the buffer beam, retaining the usual red, and the black details.

 

Coaching stock is a contentious topic, as it was a mahogany/brown livery, but of course due to different interpretations and photographic exposures the colours are often vastly differing in models; I've heard of people using Phoenix Paints' Caledonian coaching colours with a drop of red to alter the pigmentation slightly, but the choice is ultimately yours.

 

 

LBSCR:

 

http://www.lbscr.org/livery/index.html

 

This webpage is a bit more comprehensive, with the liveries identified by era and CME.

 

I hope this is helpful!

 

Alexandra

Thank you very much, too bad that the book on Amazon can't be delivered to Italy...

Hello everybody.

I would like to find the livery schemes of the LB&SC and SE&CR railways, at leas the colour codes or standard names. Are there books with such information? Does someone have what I am searching for?

Pre-Grouping rolling stock is good for a kind of modelling subject I am thinking about lately, modeling an heritage railway...