Jason P

Up until now I have tried to use Hattons as they are VAT registered in EU (I live in Spain) and receiving goods from them was as before Brexit.  Now that Hattons are closing does anyone know of an alternative supplier that is VAT registered in EU? Kernow and Rails of Sheffield both deduct UK VAT before sending.  The problem with that in Spain that as well as paying the VAT owed (I have no problem with this!) I'm also hit with an administration fee by Spanish customs, not to mention the complicated way I have to pay the courier before they'll release the goods.

On 16/05/2021 at 18:25, Cor-onGRT4 said:

I should contact Hattons about this, Hattons is also Vat registered in Spain, and so do ship DDP , after the Brexit my first shipmend from Hattons, by DPD by air, the shipmend suddenly went over to DHL and i had to pay dutch VAT and handling cost € 94,62,to DHL, so contacted Hattons.

They said they did ad the wrong custom papers to the shipmend theething problems they called it , so they contacted DHL, but  this didn't helped , so agree with Hattons to pay this amount and they refund me this amount at once when i send them the bill , so very good service about this.

Maybe the wrong papers added or Spain post don't know how DDP works.

Since the first shipmend that went wrong i have now had about 6 shipmends by DPD road [ cheap and fast] one by DHL, and everything goes fine now.

No fuzz anymore happened, tomorrow another delivery by DPD road , got a email, and nothing to pay.

So very happy with Hattons.

 

hope this will help

Contacted Hattons who confirmed I should not have been charged by the Spanish authorities as they are VAT registered in Spain and have processed a refund of the additional charges. Likewise, very happy with the service from Hattons.

I have something on pre-order from Kernow...see how that goes!

Well after some time waiting for some Peco items to come into stock I've finally received my order from Hattons.  Total value just over £100 and VAT paid as Hattons are registered in Spain.  Used Royal Mail signed for.  On arrival had to pay 21,34€ which was 2,31€ VAT import charge, the remainder being admin charges. So all in all I've paid around £26 post and charges on an order of £100 - joy!

1 hour ago, SM42 said:

 

I think you are correct in that DDP is on orders below £135.

Over that then VAT is paid on delivery as it were

 

Andy

That appears to be correct (150€).  The following link from the Royal Mail explains:

https://www.royalmail.com/business/international/guide/delivered-duties-paid

40 minutes ago, Cor-onGRT4 said:

If the retailer you paid VAT for and they are VAT registered in Spain [ i asume this is Hattons] than you pay nothing on arrival, Hattons is DDP listed

see on their site on delivery and international postage click "here" in text and you get the list of seven EU countries DDP listed -

Delivered Duty Paid, i just have called this morning DPD courier here in the Netherlands to get a confirmation if this was right, and they confirm it is, I have a trunk full at Hattons, so i can get it send by DPD without worring to pay extra.

My last shipment from the UK was 8 and 9 of December from Hattons, cost me some time to have found all this information over the last weeks.

Here is a list with all the explanation of terms.

hope this helps

That's great...all slowly starting to make a little more sense!  Yes, I was talking about Hattons - missed that section on their website.  Suspect it will all settle down in the fullness of time (hopefully!)

2 hours ago, SM42 said:

 

My understanding is that Spanish VAT (21% ?)   + the courier handling fee (who will pay the duties and taxes for you)  is what you may have to pay for the trains / track at least. (0% tariff on the trains etc AIUI)

 

I suspect retailer 1 hasn't quite got this right and should have charged Spanish VAT and then pass that onto the Spanish tax authorities if they are so registered as they claim.

 

The decoders I'm not so sure about. Whether there will be any import charges ( tariffs) to pay and as a mixed consignment, as it were, I'm not 100% sure how they would handle it.

 

There could possibly be 0% tariff on the decoders too if they fall under the correct comodity code (perhaps 85439000 for electronic equipment would cover them. )

 

So assuming no tariffs (import duty)  to pay and this is just a guess (based on some limited information gleaned from the web) around £84 + fees (an unknown quantity unless you know who the courier is and could find out) as an estimate.

 

This seems a bit steep on your doorstep  but remember

 

In order 1 there is a risk of double VAT (UK at £16.66 and Spanish at £21)  being paid. In the second  you have not paid 20% UK VAT (£60) but may have to pay Spanish VAT (£63)

 

In the latter case that's  £3 more than if you were a  GB resident stood in the shop and in the former £21 more + the unknown courier handling fees.

 

Doesn't seem so bad when you look at it that way

 

Of course as mentioned above, it may not happen and I wouldn't worry about it.  Just be prepared

 

I must point out that this is how I understand it and I may be wrong and I'm sure there are those on this forum who will correct any errors I may have amde

 

Andy

 

 

 

 

Thank you very much for your feedback, much appreciated.

Hi, I've read with interest the posts on this thread. I thought I would share my experience and perhaps someone could shed some light!

I live in Spain and currently have two pre-orders from two different UK model retailers.  The first is for some track and DCC decoders and value is approx 100GBP and UK VAT has been charged (they inform me they are VAT registered here in Spain).  The other, from a different retailer, is for a 4 car unit plus two decoders (value 300GBP) and UK VAT has NOT been charged.  I have contacted each but am still none the wiser if I will have to pay import and customs charges (and more importantly how I do that and how much!).  The unit is definitely manufactured in China and I suspect some of the other items are too.  Reading the horror stories of large customs bills for overseas customers I am tempted just to cancel the orders.  Any ideas?!

I have a question about the roofboards.  It appears that in the '60s only one roofboard was carried, I assume this was "Brighton Belle" as opposed to "Victoria-Brighton"?  Looking at various photos the single roofboard appears to be carried in either the left or right-hand position as per photos in previous posts.  Was the position purely random?