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E292 Bad Harzburg - Goslar - Hildesheim -( Hannover - Minden - Osnabruck )1964

DB BR01.10 Coal Liliput, Roco, Weinert 

BD4umg-58 2 klasse/Gepack Piko 59641
B4üm     2 klasse  Roco 64498/99, Piko 59640
B4üm     2 klasse  Roco 64498/99, Piko 59640
B4üm     2 klasse  Roco 64498/99, Piko 59640
AB4üm 1/2 klasse Roco 64497, Piko 59639 Messe Kurswagen
AB4üm 1/2 klasse Roco 64497, Piko 59639 Messe Kurswagen
AB4ü  NS  1/2 Klasse Roco 45317
B4üm     2 klasse  Roco 64498/99, Piko 59640
AB4üm 1/2 klasse Roco 64497, Piko 59639
AB4ü  DR   1/2 klasse Brawa 45327
AR4umg-54 1 Klasse/Halbspeisewagen  Ade, Hobbytrain, Piko Messe Kurswagen
B4ü-28  2 Klasse Roco 64739/64740
B4ü-28  2 Klasse Roco 64739/64740
B4ü-28  2 Klasse Roco 64739/64740

Messe strengthened formation,

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"Hans Sachs" F37/F38 München - Hagen 1967-1968

Roco 43011
Vt 11.5 Powercar with 4 axle drive 4 coach train pack
Corridor coach Vm 11.5
Barcoach Vm 11.5
Motorcoach Vt 11.5 dummy
And
Roco 43014 add on 3 coach pack
Open coach Vm
Dining car Vm
Corridor coach Vm
Train name will need to be removed from Barwagen.

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The F 1 "Hanseat" Mülheim-Styrum 1958

Kiel and Cologne

V 200 019 leads the F 1 with two A4ümg-54, a combined seating/dining car AR4ümg-54 and an older pre-war type A4üe-29/52 .

DB BR V200 Roco

A4ümg-54 1 klasse Hobbytrain set 43030 (“Stahlblau”)
A4ümg-54 1 klasse Hobbytrain set 43030 (“Stahlblau”)
AR4ümg-54 Halbspeisewagen Hobbytrain set 43030 (“Stahlblau”)
A4üe-29/52  1 klasse Liliput/Roco (“Stahlblau”)

The coaches require a livery change, with the 2 klasse numerals to 1 klasse and the DB letters to DB Keks.

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"TEE Helvetia" Aug 1965

DB BR E10.12

Roco Avum 62 64205 (From two coach set) ADE-3351-3 Av4üm62
Roco Avum 62 64205 (From two coach set) ADE-3351-3 Av4üm62
Roco Apum 62 64205 (From two coach set) ADE-3352-1 Ap4üm62
Lima WRmh 0169392 (From four coach set) ADE-3355-2 WR4üm64
Lima ARDum 0169392 (From four coach set) ADE-3156.3 ARDüm Barwagen
Roco Avum 62 64205 (From two coach set) ADE-3351-3 Av4üm62
Roco Avum 62 64205 (From two coach set) ADE-3351-3 Av4üm62

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D198 Interzonenzug (Cottbus -) Kassel (ab 15:38 Uhr)-Altenbeken - Paderborn - Soest – Hamm (- Essen – Mönchengladbach) 28. Januar 1967:

I have added this train as I think the V300 was only ever used once on this section of line via Paderborn.

Lothar Behlau (DSO) has supplied the zugbildung:

DB BR V300 001 Bw Hamm, Lima, Matrix, Rivarossi:

Post 4mg 26.4m coach philatelie.deutschepost.de 011275 Kassel - Duisburg
BR4ymg Halbspeisewagen Roco 44590 Kassel - Monchengladbach
BDüm Pack/2 Klasse Roco 44743 Cottbus - Monchengladbach
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481 Cottbus - Monchengladbach
AB4nb 1/2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45480 Cottbus - Monchengladbach
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481 Cottbus - Monchengladbach
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481 Cottbus - Monchengladbach
AB4nb 1/2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45480 Bebra - Monchengladbach
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481 Bebra - Soest - Koln
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481 Leipzeig - Soest - Koln
AB4nb 1/2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45480 Leipzeig - Soest - Koln
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481 Leipzeig - Soest - Koln

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D 367 (München) - Koln - Wuppertal - Osnabrück (31.08.1958). 

Suggested train formation.

DB BR 03.10  Rebuilt loco with unrebuilt tender Roco, Weinert.

Pw4üe Packwagen Liliput ?
B4üe (Hechte) 2 Klasse Brawa's 45302
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1
WR4ue-28   Speisewagen Roco 64742
A4üe - 28/52 1 Klasse ex Fzug steel blue livery Liliput 384411 
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1
B4umg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/99, Hobbytrain 43200, Piko 59640, Ade 3301/1

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Unidenified Eilzug Wuppertal Elberfeld ( Hbf) 1964

DB BR03.10 Rebuilt loco and tender  Merker and Fischer, Roco, Trix, Weinert.

MD4ie Aux Baggage Roco 45919 
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481/Piko 57668
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481/Piko 57668
AB4nb 1/2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45480/Piko 57669
AB4nb 1/2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45480/Piko 57669
B4nb 2 Klasse Silberlinge Roco 45481/Piko 57668

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David

Express D 14010 Munich (19.54) - Hamm (13.46) Summer 1971

Munich - Ulm - Stuttgart - Heidelberg - Mannheim - Mainz - Koblenz - Koln Eilfeltor - Koln - Dusseldorf - Oberhausen - Dortmund - Hamm.

Formation as of leaving Mainz.

Suggested formation.

DB 150 Roco/Piko/Trix
Or DB 117 Roco 63625

Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Post m-a/26 Piko 53388
Post-B / 21 Schürzenwagen  Märklin 43262  (Requires 2 rail wheel sets)
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Dm 902   Gepackwagen Roco/Piko
Dm 902   Gepackwagen Roco/Piko
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Post -p/21 Piko 53306
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix
Mdyge 996 Behelfspackwagen Brawa/Roco/Rowa/Trix

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Expr 3318 Fulda - Frankfurt 1962

DB BR 41

MD4ie Aux Baggage Roco 45919
MD4ie Aux Baggage Roco 45919
Post4mg-a/26 Piko 019187/53380
Post4mg-a/26 Piko 019187/53380
Post4mg-a/26 Piko 019187/53380
Post4.21p  Piko 53305

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Eilguterzug  Hamm-Koln

MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
Glmrhs        Covered Van Roco 46105
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256

Train speed rated at 100 Km

Eilguterzug  Hamm-Koln

MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
Glmrhs        Covered Van Roco 46105
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256

Train speed rated at 100 Km

Unidentified Expressgutzug Bremen - Hamburg 1966

DB BR 01.10 Oil

MD4ie Aux Baggage Roco 45919 
Post4 Piko 53305
Post4 Piko 53305
Post4 Piko 53305
MD4ie Aux Baggage Roco 45919

Eilguterzug  Hamm-Koln

MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
Pwum      Full Baggage Roco 44744
MD4ie         Aux Baggage   Roco 45919
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256
Glmrhs        Covered Van Roco 46105
Gms 54       Covered Van Roco 46256

Train speed rated at 100 Km

Hello John,

Nice to hear from you and all's well, thank you. Hope the same with you.

I intend to use it with two packs of Lima Sharnow Reisen coaches, Prototype as seen in Osnabrucke.

The locomotives of the DB BR 01.10 remained completely with the DB after the war and had the 5axles tender T38 coupled.
Now the DB started an experiment and equipped a T38 tender with coal bunker cover flaps. The purpose was to protect travelers from internal and external pollution of fast-moving passenger trains. A coal pusher device was also installed.
Locomotive 01 1070 was first coupled with this tender, later locomotive 01 1097 received it. Only this one tender was ever converted.
So something different from the normal Oil or Coal fired locomotives to run on my layout.

Parts to make this tender conversion.

Tender: Liliput BR 45/ liliput 01.10
Tender covers and machinery: Roco BR 03.10
Coal bunker: Roco BR 03.10
Tender -Loco Gummi conector: Weinert
Loco - Tender coupling: Weinert
Motor Mashima: "1833"Japanese 5 pole can type, Branchlines (now defunct)
Brass flywheels: Branchlines (now defunct)
Tender coal: Welsh steam coal
R.A.L paints: revell satin, Weinert Karmine.
Loco: Liliput 01.10
Inscriptions: Weinert

Ok, here's a mock up. to see how it fits together, repaint needed, but I am happy with it!
Very simple to do, no metal work to alter, all parts are BR03.10 spares from Roco and of course a Liliput diecast BR01.10 tender,
No air reservoir or toolbox is fitted, so the conversion is not quite the same as for the DB BR 03.10. 

Here is an example of Weinert Karmine red on a 1970's kit built DB BR 23, converted Marklin 3 rail AC to 2 rail DC. colour looks spot on.

It's a large centrally mounted  style can motor with double drive shafts, giving drive to both driven bogies, excellent haulage power, one of Lima's better models.

My rule of thumb for valuing a mint secondhand is, retail minus 33%, I paid £90.00 new for a DC model, prices on Ebay are ludicrous,( I wonder what a full SBB RAe TEE is valued at, mine is not for sale!  ) 

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/germanrailfr/modelling-reisezuege-db-epoche-iii-d-zugbildung-in-t4136-s80.html#p25839

Please look at https://www.conrad.de/de/o/h0-signale-1607100.html

They have kits without drives, have found them very useful.

Look for Hauptsignal Bausatz DB, very reasonable pricing.

These links should prove useful and can be translated.

http://www.rheinmodellbahn.de/pages/eisenbahnepochen-iii-bis-v/rollmaterial-epoche-iv.php

http://www.rheinmodellbahn.de/pages/eisenbahnepochen-iii-bis-v/rollmaterial-epoche-v.php

On 18/10/2019 at 22:42, 64F said:

Thanks guys,

 

Interesting article - if the German expert is so far undecided I think I'll wait myself before ordering.  I can see that getting the peacock eye side pattern right is obviously a massive challenge, but as I model the 2010s I don't need to worry about that myself. 

 

 

 

 

Keith

The ESU models have been released and have been seen by the expert, who decided not to purchase any, due to him considering that faults were to evident in the detailing.

My Ade versions are safe!

His thoughts can be found on Facebook at modellbahn.net

Have a look at this link, might throw some light on your questions, in German but can be electronically translated.

Will Berghoff is a very knowledgeable expert on coaching stock in both prototype and model form.

https://modellbahn.net/index.php/startseite/modellberichte/wagenmodelle/reisezugwagen/sitzwagen/silberlinge-2019

D689 Munchen - Ingolstadt - Wurzburg - Bebra - Kassel 1958:

DB V200 Roco

Post4 Piko 53305 
Pw4ye Liliput 334556
B4üm 2 Klasse Hobbytrain 43200 Rivarossi 4014, Roco 64498/99 
AR4üe Ex F-zugwagen with Speiseraum Liliput 384511
B4üm 2 Klasse Hobbytrain 43200 Rivarossi 4014, Roco 64498/99 
B4üm 2 Klasse Hobbytrain 43200 Rivarossi 4014, Roco 64498/99 

Interesting image of a Steel Blaue AR4ü-29/52 Halbspeisewagen still in Fzug steel blue in a fast train Munich - Lindau 1960:

http://www.eisenbahnstiftung.de/images/ ... e/1871.jpg

Image courtesy Liliput

Changes required would be to remove the 2 from the left hand side and place a 1 between the first and second window on both sides of the coach, also remove the DB letters and replace with the Keks biscuit.
Transfers to be Ral 1014 ivory ! 
This will legitimately enable you to extend the life of this coach up to 1961

D 143 / D 144 Saarbrücken Hbf-Frankfurt (Main) Hbf 1958

Suggested formation, more details at https://www.db58.de/2019/08/23/d-143-d- ... -main-hbf/

I often wondered what happened to these coaches, after they were down graded from the pre 1956 premium F-zug services.

DB BR 03 Fleischmann

Pw4wüe - 37 Schnellzug-Gepäckwagen Fleischmann 5630 K ?
B4ümg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/Piko 59640/Rivarossi 4014
B4ümg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/Piko 59640/Rivarossi 4014
A4üe - 39 1 klasse steel blue schurzenwagen ( see image below ).
B4ümg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/Piko 59640/Rivarossi 4014
B4ümg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/Piko 59640/Rivarossi 4014
B4ümg-54 2 Klasse Roco 64498/Piko 59640/Rivarossi 4014
AB4üe - 39 1/2 klasse steel blue schurzenwagen ( ex Rheingold ) ?

The AB4üe - 39 1/2 klasse steel blue schurzenwagen ( ex Rheingold ) were noted on Ventimiglia services in 1958

A4üe - 39 1 klasse steel blue schurzenwagen.

http://www.historyphotos.org/wp-content/plugins/image-store/image.php?i=jJWlnn1ynA

Note: Marklin produced  set 43237, which only had the letters DB on the coach sides, making conversion much simpler.

"Ex-Rheingold Schürzenwagen"
https://www.db58.de/2011/07/12/ex-rhein ... enwagen-1/

Models of the green versions

B4nb-58 prototype, 41 001 Han, Lima 309674

AB4nb-58 prototype, 31 001 Han, Lima 309673

There is a Roco set (64019) with two B4nb-58 prototype, 41004 Mü + 41002 Mü

No model of the driving trailer has ever been made.

46 minutes ago, readingtype said:

 

Secondhand Ade Silberlingen from the 1980s are interesting but I think my advice would be to avoid unless you want to spend a lot of time fiddling about with them. Ade coaches were (as I understand) originally sold only as kits and have amongst other things an innovative and slightly maddening coupling system of their own. The details are great with lovely filigree bogies that capture the very fine parts of the prototype, but it's fairly easy even for me to point out a couple of things that aren't really right about the bodies and I have never seen such thin tyres and such deep flanges combined in a single NEM wheel as with Ade.

 

 

 

 

Ben

Ade coaches with Roco close couplings, running on code 100 track, Ade made an adapter for the Roco coupling.