IanM78

On 20/05/2023 at 17:09, Schooner said:

I've spent far too long c**king about* already, so forgive what's about to happen...

(just to keep us all on the same page)

 

 

and more usefully

 

What's all this about? Well unless someone feels like designing a half-way decent butty (3D printed ends, lollipop stick centre?) then I'm gonna cut my scratch-built-boat teeth on one. Annoying that the plans are neither good quality nor of the right type:

Note the angle of the sternpost in particular. They do, at least, get me in the right ballpark. Most of the blighter'll be underwater anyway :)

 

*snip*

 

I'm a bit late to the party regarding your post but I'm off to an Historic Narrow Boat festival next weekend so if you need any detailed pictures of any part of a narrow boat I'll be happy to help.

I'm not sure why you think the plans you have are for "the wrong type" as they're all variation on a theme anyway and the boat pictured at the Ocean above is pretty standard, albeit a bit 'boxier' than some of them out there.

16 hours ago, Schooner said:

Issued as yet unresolved, but I think settled enough to move on. Almost time for the next wagon...

How about mooring rings?

Would explain why in the pictures you can't really see what the boats are moored with.

There are also several still in situ along the Stroudwater and Thames & Severn.

1 hour ago, chuffinghell said:

Added the ‘posty thing’ couldn’t find any clear photos of the real thing so I had to make it up

 

 

 

It’s not yet glued in place, hence why it’s leaning over

Looking great. 
 

The ‘posty thing’ is the top mast with the floppy floppy bit on top being the looby. 
 

The top mast which is the red bit on top extends upwards and is in its lowest position in the photo. 

4 minutes ago, Winslow Boy said:

Excellent Chris. May I humbly suggest you try and avoid them being too regular. They would have been thrown over in a rush as the bargee would have wanted to get away to there next port/wharf. Likewise when arriving it would have been all hands rushing to get the tarp off as quick as possible so that the cargo could be unloaded.

The top strings are at fixed points along the side cloths so would be fairly regular. Boatmen took a lot of pride in the appearance of their boats.

9 hours ago, MrWolf said:

Would I be right in thinking that the oil lamp in @IanM78's picture is a regular mast lamp type of thing under the paint. It looks familiar.

Yes, that one may be a little smaller but essentially the same. 
 

Electric lighting didn’t really come about until the late 1930s with the fleet expansion of the Grand Union Canal Carrying Company.
 

Don’t think I’ve seen a Bollinder with a dynamo fitted as they’re generally far too slow revving. A lot of the single cylinder Bollinders didn’t have gearboxes so in order to get reverse you actually have to run the engine backwards but that’s another topic for another day!

Traditionally horse boats had oil lamps fitted to the cratch like this. 

Whether you want to add one or not is up to you as they’d only really be put in place for use in a tunnel or at night. 

On 26/01/2023 at 20:40, chuffinghell said:

I found two photos

 

one with intermediate braces (arrowed)

 

 

one without

 

 

from a 3D printing point of view without will make the printing easier but having had a conversation with @MrWolf neither of us is sure if ‘without’ is acceptable

 

The top picture of, I think, Clover is how it should be done whereas the bottom picture of Roach is how most people do it. 

Both pictures show the square mast and two upright stands supporting the top planks.  What you've called intermediate pieces in the top picture are confusingly called uprights and give the top planks a little more support.

It's perfectly acceptable to run the boat without the uprights.

On 29/11/2022 at 17:35, Schooner said:

 

 

 

Just on a slight tangent I was down that part of the country at the weekend and  this is what the above location looks like today.

2 hours ago, figworthy said:

 

Thanks.  It's a pity that they don't say where it is.  It looks like an interesting set up.

 

Adrian

It’s in Stone, Staffordshire. 

On 22/11/2022 at 08:59, MrWolf said:

I was a part of the discussion on Warren branch when the goods shed crane was being discussed, particularly about how the real thing operates. I did provide a number of pictures and diagrams, including a sketch of how the drive rope is rigged with a double pass over the drum in some cases, both ends being secured to the bottom drum, rather than one end to the pulley.

To be honest I didn't spot that your model has a lower drive to the large pulley, there being a horse in the way. 

There certainly are lightweight cranes operated from a loop chain in the same way as a chain block, but in the case of your crane, no. 

The canal crane is built in such a way that all of the gearing is at ground level,as is the actual lift drum. What you have has a separate lift drum at the top, driven and geared down by a second drum at ground level, so the large pulley is part of the equation of the gearing. 

I don't think that it will look out of place at all once painted and detailed as you say, the black paint makes it stand out too much.

11 hours ago, Schooner said:

This is excellent! A bit much for layout, sadly, but what a beast  babe  beauty! I'd love to know more about it, and like Wolfie would've loved to have seen it in action. Do you have any more info? Google pickings are pretty sparse at first look.

I'll have to look through my books on the canal and see if there's anything else I can find on it.  I'm sure I've seen a drawing of it somewhere but may be mistaken. The Stroudwater and Thames & Severn canals (now known as the Cotswold Canals) are a bit of a passion of mine.  I've been following your topic for a while now and really didn't want my first post on a railway modeling forum to be canal related but couldn't resist!

The actual crane at Cirencester Wharf was an interesting design.