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5 hours ago, mabel said:
Were the steel carriers the early 20' open containers? Like the type Triang produced.
They were lancashire flats which was a flat container with headboard
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26 minutes ago, br2975 said:
To simplify, these are from the 1971-1972 WTT, showing inter-regional services into and out of South Wales.
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Most, but not all services bound to'/from Danygraig called at Pengam.
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4V60 01:35 Sheffield – Danygraig
4E66 16:15 Danygraig – Sheffield
4V61 23:48 Parkeston Quay – Danygraig
4E61 13:15 danygraig – Parkeston Quay
4V63 17:12 Garston – Danygraig
4M78 01:00 Danygraig – Garston
4V64 20:20 Willesden – Danygraig
4M51 21:10 FX Danygraig, 22:54 Sun Cardiff – Willesden.
4V66 01:48 Stratford – Danygraig calls Pengam, combines with 4V60
4E70 18:22 Pengam - Stratford
4V69 18:56 Trafford Park – Danygraig
4M71 21:10 Danygraig – Trafford Park
4V73 16:15 Edinburgh – Pengam
4S88 13:15 Pengam – Edinburgh
4V74 05:38 Southampton – Danygraig
4O63 13:00 Danygraig – Southampton
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There were several timetabled workings to move empty sets around South Wales for maintenance, such as
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4C08 05:10 MO Barry – Danygraig empties
4C09 09:15 MO Margam – Danygraig empties
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In addition there was a local steel based 'trip' working;
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4C29 16:10 WO Pengam – Bellport (Newport Uskmouth Branch)
4C32 20:20 WO Bellport (Newport Uskmouth Branch) - Pengam
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Then there was the more intriguing Steel Liner, which carried steel in open containers, invariably hauled by a 'Western'
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4B12 22:25 Sun, 22:05 FX Margam – Stoke Gifford ‘Steel Liner’ whence it combined with the following, working forward as
4A19 21:45 Sun,21:55 FX Ebbw Vale – Park Royal ‘Steel Liner’
Returning as
4C63 10:40 FO Q Park Royal – Spencer Works / Ebbw Vale ‘Steel Liner’ empties.
which would split at Stoke Gifford going forward as;
4C15 13:25 FX Stoke Gifford – Margam ‘Steel Liner’ empties.
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4C63 10:40 FO Q Park Royal – Spencer Works / Ebbw Vale ‘Steel Liner’ empties.
Out of which there was the
4A93 17:30 FO Q Spencer Works – East Usk Jcn. Empty ‘Steel Liner’
Which was the first part of a trip working by empty sets to and from Barry WRD for weekend maintenance.
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More interesting was the following proposal by the Cardiff Division management, commencing with the 1969 (October) Winter WTT
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The 08:00 Paddington-Fishguard Harbour TThSO would pick up Freightliner sets at Llanelli, which have been worked across by the 10:50 ex-Danygraig.
The empty wagons would return on the 13:55 ECS Fishguard – Llanelli from whence they would depart at 15:55 for Danygraig, and on Saturdays to Cardiff, Canton for maintenance.
By late October this 'mixed train' had not started running, so the following were introduced from; 22nd. October 1969
07:00 Danygraig - Fishguard Harbour TThSO
12:45 Fishguard Harbour - Danygraig TThO
12:45 Fishguard - cardiff Canton SO (maintenance)
Cl.47s were diagrammed for this working.
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Then, for something completely different there's always.....
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Apologies getting trunk and connection mixed on steeliner , remember Stoke Gifford shunters getting instruction on the liner wagons on the air brakes which were individual and not in fixed sets . Thats a good shot of a Pantyffynnon 68
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14 minutes ago, mabel said:
All cracking stuff. Many thanks.
The Park Royal originally ran to South Lambeth , coveying strip steel for Dagenham and Luton/ Dunstable
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4 minutes ago, Downendian said:
Yes that was not Freightliner traffic though but steel carriers, another frequent Western turn.
4F63 1005 Park Royal to Margam freightliner as in WTT above. There was a Pengam to Bell Port and return on the Uskmouth branch for traffic to be forwarded by services from Pengam class 37 worked
5 minutes ago, Downendian said:Yes that was not Freightliner traffic though but steel carriers, another frequent Western turn.
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3 minutes ago, Downendian said:
I’ve had similar problems trying to find mid 1970s images of Freightliner traffic that passed daily through Bristol Parkway. There are several images on Flickr and the workings in that time frame were
4V10 2100 Mossend-Bristol West depot
4V66 0210 Stratford-Danygraig
4S38 1835/(1855 FO)Bristol West depot-Coatbridge/Sighthill
4E70 1610 Danygraig-Stratford
Those codes help narrow the Flickr searches down a bit. I particularly remember the 4E70 which arrived in Bristol around 8pm, normally banked by a class 37 up from the Severn Tunnel to Stoke Gifford. This train was mainly first generation containers of various shipping lines (I remember Bell and P&O) but Flickr shows others (see below MAT) and open containers which were sheeted. The Bristol FLT services (from memory-not always reliable) were Freightliner branded mostly at least until 1979 when I packed in spotting. Westerns often put in an appearance on the 4E70 and the drone of hard labouring maybachs climbing from Severn Tunnel was a very endearing memory.
heres one from Flickr of 4E70 from trabsportsteve2011, pre 1976
There was the steel liner from Margam to Park Royal with a portion from Ebbw Vale which joined at
Stoke Gifford due to weight at around midnight returned lunchtime all empty Lancashire flats ,train split STJ .
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16 minutes ago, Fat Controller said:
Are they catch points, or are they expansion joints on an early installation of Long-Welded Rail?
The sign alongside with S on it for switch ie catch points .
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5 hours ago, KeithMacdonald said:
The caption:
What kind of fruit vans would be at Moreton-in-Marsh?
A few years later....
The vans on the right would be stored , either going back into traffic or condemed , the siding on the left handled full loads , in September of that year there was fertiliser from ICI Severn Beach which was possibly what the vans in shot were carrying
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1 hour ago, Steadfast said:
To take one set in isolation, last night I travelled back from London on a 9 car, 18.36 ex Paddington for Exeter. Not standing, but very full in my coach. Think it's possibly the last west of England before off peaks can be used, which may affect how popular a service it is.
Anyway, fine on electric, after Newbury losing a fair chunk of time, not helped by the fact it stops everywhere after Newbury. Announcement by the guard, only got 2 (out of 5) engines working, so it would terminate Westbury, with the following fast stopping additonally at Westbury to mop up the people needing to carry on west. Thankfully, Westbury was my stop. People for Castle Cary were miffed as rather than add an extra additional call on the IET that was picking them up at Westbury, they were told to travel to Taunton and come back to Cary in a taxi. No doubt a discussion for another thread!
Back to the capacity comments, the mid morning starters from Bristol are regularly full by Bath, and full and standing from Chippenham or Swindon, and that's with the booked 9 car set. If a 5 turns up...good luck!
Jo
Cant imagine " on the cushions " and IEP go together , better off finding something to sit on in the van . Of course lots on here won't understand what i've just said
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4 hours ago, MartinRS said:
Glendon North Junction box does have a couple of adjacent location boxes. (One could be obscured by the Class 20s). The telephone pole looks to be in the wrong place and Glendon North Junction has two windows in the locking room, so I would rule that box out.
Glendon Sidings does have a telephone pole in the right place but I can't find a decent photo of that box from the right angle to see if it has the end facing us in the photo.
Kilby Bridge is an oversailing type.
By north of Glendon North box i meant further down the line to Market Harborough and Wigston South where the lines were paired by directon . I cant read the milepost with the peak in shot , which would give the exact location . For some reason for a line i'm not familiar with East Langton comes to mind ,
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20 minutes ago, Rugd1022 said:
The EE Type 1s photo looks like it could be between Wigston and Kettering, possible candidates which spring to mind are Kilby Bridge Junction, Wistow, Kibworth Beauchamp, Desborough and Glendon & Rushden. Could be wrong though!
Definitley north of Glendon North Junction box
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47 minutes ago, Cwmtwrch said:
WD 2-8-0s were limit to an absolute maximum of 50mph in all circumstances on the WR, so I presume a similar limit applied on other regions, hence their restrictions on the class of train they worked. In general, WDs were not that common on the LMR as they had lots of Stanier 8Fs (including some balanced for fast freight working) which they would have preferred for most jobs, plus numerous ex-LNWR 0-8-0s, which lasted quite well under BR.
You could also include occasional random coaches and NPCCS [empties] and such things as brand new Class 08 being delivered [immediately behind the 4F train engine in the photograph I have somewhere; I can't remember if the rods had been removed]. New cars being delivered on Lowfits also appeared, plus individual tank wagons, and such exotics as Trestrols, for example. As Aire Head says,
This is true of the 1950s, although with steadily reducing numbers as they were withdrawn and replaced by 16T. However, apart from those passed to the Engineers, they had gone out of use by circa 1963-4, although numbers were still parked in various places awaiting scrapping.
Dont know about the 1950's . In the 60's when Kingmoor Yard was being built Kingmoor had austerity's to work in stone for the construction from Sandside quarry located on the line from Hincaster Junction south of Oxenholme , banked to Grayrigg and Shap . Most workings were through express freights fitted wagons by this time apart from and to locations on the line , look at various photos by Derek Cross showing a continuous stream of northbound freights in the morning ascending Shap a majority black fives with the odd 9F and other suitable locos . Coalvilles opened Hardendale Quarry to serve the Craig , theres lots of phots this traffic , lime , in 16t mins before more advanced rolling stock was available . Also traffic from Shap Summit quarry and coming in on the Keswick line at Penrith worked by other than black fives
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1 hour ago, Northmoor said:
A typically 50mph wind doesn't matter much to something that normally flies through air at 600mph. Unless the wind is an especially gusty crosswind, it shouldn't matter.
With a few exceptions like the Severn and Mersey Tunnels which pass under rivers, most tunnels on the national network never had pumps installed. The extreme weather events we are now becoming accustomed to were much more rare; Chipping Sodbury didn't flood twice a year when it was run by the (original) GWR. London Underground however, has hundreds of pumps and is almost never stopped by excess water.
Chipping Sodbury tunnel doesn't flood its the line after its west portal that gets flooded , ever since it was built
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3 hours ago, DaveF said:
Today we start with a Lincolnshire miscellany.
Burgh le Marsh Class 31 up freight Aug 68 J1388
Lincoln Central Class 31 D5554 down freight April 69 J1582
Flixborough BISC line from Scunthorpe Aug 70 J2170
Brocklesby 30th May 91 C15861
Immingham view west Immingham East Junction 30th May 91 C15869
Grimsby 158789 26th July 2000 C25007
David
J1582 should that be an UP freight , a crippled tippler run hot , and lots of van traffic
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12 hours ago, Tobbes said:
Thanks, that's very helpful - I don't know anything about engineering wagons. Are Herrings available in OO RTR?
I have no clue about models sorry if you look up herring , dogfish etc loads of info will turn up
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1 hour ago, JohnR said:
I've seen a picture of a van at Lyme described as a weekly van for Boots the Chemist.
Shocvan
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4 hours ago, Tobbes said:
In the summer 1960 timetable there was a weekday path at 7.29 am ex-Axminster for a goods train to Lyme using the branch engine which had run down light (though presumably bringing empties as required?) - the LE path left Lyme at 6.15 am, giving the branch engine plenty of time (almost an hour) to shunt Axminster and form up whatever goods traffic was bound for Lyme. However, pictures of this all goods are rare, which could indicate it ran rarely or simply that there was limited interest in it.
The only picture I've seen of a pure Goods rather than mixed train on the branch comes from Roger Joanes's Flickr feed (thank-you, Roger) on Friday 8 April 1960:
Additionally, the weekday 8.11 am ex-Lyme and the balancing 8.43 am ex-Axminster were mixed in 1960, though how frequently it ran mixed isn't exactly clear today. Fortunately, Mr Joanes has a picture of the mixed on its way to Axminster on 8 April 1960:
And another from the footplate on (Monday) 5 Sept 1960:
Finally, there were PW trains on the branch as well, which Mr Joanes captured this beauty on (Sunday) 10 April 1960:
I'd be grateful for help on what these hoppers are - I thought that they were Dogfish, but that's just a guess.
Mr Joanes also captured the two Radials have a drink at Lyme the same day:
So, we're indebted to Mr Joanes for pointing his camera at non-passenger workings on the Lyme Regis branch that would otherwise probably live on only in the memory of those who operated them.
They dont look like Dogfish plus would they be over the axle weight , are they Herrings ? Woolworths would have had a van once a week probaly more in the summer as did Seaton
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17 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said:
This was not a BR C&W repair but Wagon Repairs using the siding to wheel exchange on an Alcan hired wagon!
Coton Hill had an overhead gantry hoist
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28 minutes ago, 2251 said:
In the same way, I suppose, that the GW ran to Dartmouth.
And the LSWR ran to The Isle of Wight
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19 minutes ago, acg5324 said:
Does anyone recognise where this location is? Looks familiar but I can’t place it.
TIA
Llandudno junction
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1 hour ago, hmrspaul said:
My father rarely mentioned detail of his work (or his extensive war service for that matter). It was only my moving to Cardiff for my first Sandwich training that he mentioned the problems at Cardiff, that was 1970. He had even asked me about the Pembroke Dock branch when we went there for our A-level Ecology practical week in 1967
Would the Central Wales line be part of any long term plans - wasn't it supposed to close under Beeching? I haven't looked up my copy of the report. They had already lost the direct Southampton/Fawley to Birmingham routes so Oil trains (the heaviest in the country at that time) had to go via Acton.
Paul
Did any Fawley to Bromford Bridge trains run via Acton ? The original routing was Salisbury Bath Bristol chord and Gloucester 9F hauled , then DN&S Oxford to Worcester 2 X 33 hauled locos used on crew training runs to Hereford , then Basingstoke Oxford Banbury , then taken over by pipeline
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2 hours ago, DaveF said:
Thanks for the comments about the milk tanks, I had always assumed that they had come from somewhere in the north and were probably on their way to London, the information is interesting.
This evening there are some photos taken in Cumbria (as it now is).
Dalston with its oil terminal is on the Cumbrian Coast line to the south of Carlisle. I am sure everyone knows where Sellafield and Troutbeck are.
Dalston Class 37 37025 in oil sidings 22nd April 87 C8407
Dalston 37080 oil tanks 25 Aug 92 C17911
Sellafield view north to station Aug 79 J6604
Sellafield Class 40 down freight Aug 79 J6605
Troutbeck Derby lightweight Penrith to Workington Aug 65 J320
David
J6605 looks like something running hot on the rear.
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24 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:
The location's Southam Road ( Harbury ), facing north west - so the ironstone has probably come from Edgehill ( maybe loco tender first from Kineton ? ) and reversed at Fenny Compton.
Originated Banbury Ironstone Branch the junction of the sidings and exstensive system of the Oxfordshire Ironstone Company were located , most likely going to Lloyds at Bilston West via reversal at Priestfield / Stow Heath
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21 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:
Headcode and class depends on date and availability of wagons. Everybody liked ti get vac braked wagons for spoil trains but it was rarely possible at one time but occasionally you might even get a com[lete vac braked trains. Once teh WR went fully continuous braked for everything in theh 1980s a lot of unbraked wagons were transferred off the Region in exchange for fitted wagons 'from the north'.
The same had happened on the SR which went fully fitted a bit earlier than the Western.
The SR had a lot of fitted stock but they were ex traffic dept , they use to get ballast from New Frome via the light railway to Somerset Quarry sidings , Whatley to modern folk , loaded in medfits and hyfits in the early 70's that even seemed archaic at that time , along with other trains of Whales (not very successful ) Walrus and Dogfish mixed
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7 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:
Could have been the Cleethorpes, Sidmouth, Exmouth?
Phil
S&D through trains finished September 62
Bristol & South Wales Freightliner traffic 1970s
in UK Prototype Questions
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When Stoke Gifford downside closed October 1971 the Margam section was worked to Swindon Cocklebury via Gloucester to join the Ebbw Vale section , in the reverse the split was on the Transfer . Hot box detectors were ignored for these trains as the hot coils set them off