25kV

32 minutes ago, 5BarVT said:

 

Like this one?  Taken from a former railway building.

(I’ve been overseas recently.)

Paul.

Canada digression - I passed by that roundhouse in 1998, long before it became the railway museum - it had been partly demolished to allow for some underground construction or other, and was later rebuilt (and is now a brewery I think)!  Which by most standards is a fairly remarkable turn of events.

21 minutes ago, aardvark said:

Another brilliant post from @25kV.  I beginning to suspect that you live there!

About an hour south of there, but close enough!

21 minutes ago, aardvark said:

The second is the Seaview Temperance Hotel on Deveronside, and has been boarded up for quite a while.  Perhaps temperance is out of fashion.

For a boarded up hotel, it certainly had a lot of residents!

To complicate things more, the painted surrounds also vary!

Here, later cement has presumably reinforced the stonework around the openings, and consequently been painted (original lintels visible over the doors).

But this also reflects the traditional stone style of the area seen in this fine structure around the corner in Banff:

... where a different type of stone (in this case sandstone) has been used for the edges, with granite for the facings. 

The resulting staggered look can then also be seen highlighted in painted traditional cottages back around near the station:

It appears, however, that the staggered styling on the Scotstown cottages has been made with cement to mimic the stone of other local buildings.

Of interest is that the four mounting bolts that held the nose cone to each of the top corners of the cab remained present on 86204 well into the InterCity era!  (Where the bumps are on the 3D print.)

5 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Looks like you have done a good job of modelling it, but I've never been able to take that protoype seriously.

Always thought that loco nose was designed following the outcome of a wager. 

Same goes for Manorbier Castle, the GWR's answer to the streamlined pacifics of the ECML and WCML.

It's not pretty!  Though it does closely resemble the earliest HSDT drawings, before someone did the more decent thing for the Class 41 prototype power cars. 

There were no plans, fortunately, to streamline the 86s as a fleet. 😉

For anyone curious about the current (i.e. this afternoon) state of Banff's station area...  😉

This is roughly where the station / platforms were, with the harbour beyond the distant building.

View along the cottages from the station area.

One of the modified overbridges - the trackbed is now a footpath.

Many chimneypots of different styles on the buildings today, though plenty look like they've been there a good long time...
 

Probably the simplest of the various designs.

Finally a similar view to the black-and-white one linked to up thread, as it is today.

(These pics are half-size - if you want any enlargements, let me know.)

Reasonably clear chimney pots on this photo:  Banff Macduff Heritage Trail  (though this might be the pic you're referring to already!) 

From this page: https://banffmacduffheritagetrail.co.uk/gallery-old-banff/

I'd say, in terms of local designs, that any models that resemble those you can see in period shots from Banff/Macduff/Whitehills and surrounds would pass muster. 

1 hour ago, Jollibob said:

I've waited a long time for this moment. Now I can justify class 43s pulling freight trains. I've seen an image before but with a singular class 43 but not like this.

 

An image that I found on Facebook. 

 

Rob. 

The RailAdventure HST power cars have been hauling stuff in the last few years, often with pairs top-n-tail. 

Extreme example by Steven Ansty on flickr:

It's definitely an early 1965-ish WR-style nameplate, not a Rail Alphabet 1980-onwards one, both in the all-caps lettering and bodyside location. 

The longest ones were (from a found list)

D1662 ISAMBARD KINGDOM BRUNEL
D1663 SIR DANIEL GOOCH
D1664 GEORGE JACKSON CHURCHWARD
 

I think Churchward was replaced with G. J. CHURCHWARD at some point (?) after a plate got damaged.  Which makes IKB a definite candidate.

1 hour ago, 97406 said:

 

I recall reading that a number of withdrawn 81s and 85s had their cabling sabotaged. It was something to do with someone behind the Class 87/2 / 90 project being responsible for the damage, to prevent the outgoing classes from deputising the 90s due to initial reliability issues or some such. 

I heard something very similar.  85101 was grabbed while said person was on leave, or something! 

Pete Waterman reportedly looked into purchasing 84009 (Mobile Load Bank ADB968021) when it was offered for sale.  He did actually purchase 85104 (85012) for preservation - however this was returned to BR after the discovery that much of its internal cabling had been cut through - 85101 (85006) was acquired in its place.

I'm also led to believe that EM1 76051 was the subject of a preservation attempt, but in the end all that survived was its cabside. 

During my tenure at the AC Loco Group we heard of several expressions of interest/intent from other individuals/groups in acquiring Class 86s/87s as they were taken out of service, either for preservation or to use as spot-hire locomotives.  Some of these plans were more realistic than others! 

2-HAP 4311 yesterday, hanging out with D9500 by the Aberdeen-Inverness main line at Port Elphinstone.

7 hours ago, Steven B said:

Exactly 12th July 1984 if this caption is to be believed:

0242 - 370003 Leeds 12-07-84 by Derek Thompson, on Flickr

 

Steven B

Ah - I think I'm getting my dates muddled.  Certainly this move is the 12th, as it's going the opposite way (with a 40 on the front); the return, with the 47, was probably in early August, after the ECML trials.

12 hours ago, Ray M said:

APT, Leeds

no date, Taken from pinterest

This is very likely to be 370003 being returned from Heaton, around 12th July 1984 in early August 1984 (see below), after the ECML coasting test.

* High intensity headlight (usually mounted on an existing bracket, or fitted inside a "traditional" lamp fitting

* Shiny paintwork!

* Air brake pipework.

* TPWS/etc stuff behind the buffer beam.

* Modern-pattern danger/warning stickers, though usually not very prominently displayed.

Steam on the mainline seems to be exempt from cant-rail orange stripes and yellow ends, so most major livery elements can probably remain authentic.

Personally I like the incongruity of heritage trains appearing amidst the modern scene, and if I ever get as far as building a railway, it would feature heavily.  (Along with a whole other bunch of fictional twists!)

47 minutes ago, Jeremy Cumberland said:

The Flickr caption says Stenson Junction, and it does look very much like Stenson level crossing, which suggests that the train came on the direct route via Stoke.

 

I wonder why the caption also says 2518*. I would not expect the number to be clear enough to tell, even on the original, and I don't think they had any particular identification feature. By April 1986, only 25181 from this number range was still in service, and that had 25181 painted below the middle cab window at both ends sometime in late 1984 or early 1985, so it can't be that one.

At maximum zoom on Flickr, I'd go for 2519*, based on the proportions of the visible numbers, which matches the other available image of 25190 in Derby.  Gradually ruling out other options!! 😉 

8 hours ago, dave75 said:

@25kV I know I've seen a tops document that describes the strict route to get the unit back to derby , it was S&C, Wakefield, then either the old road or via rotherwood sidings. I'm sure it had the loco number as well, maybe it was the train doctor book on my kindle. Will take a look when I get a minute.

That would be very interesting to see!  Thanks.

I believe there were a couple of approved routes - certainly units were moved from Glasgow Shields to Derby via the S&C - I've seen a WTT entry for one such move of 370006. From Crewe, which is likely where 370001 had previously been on this occasion, I'm less familiar with the routing.  Sets have also been towed from the WCML via Hexham to Thornaby for wheel turning, and via Leeds to Heaton for propelling tests.

20 hours ago, Jeremy Cumberland said:

Agreed, seeing that 25138 was withdrawn in 1983. Perhaps 25190, photographed coupled to 370001 at Derby on 29 April 1986: https://www.apt-p.com/APTMemoriesWorkMMorris.htm

Ooh thanks for the withdrawal date - I shall update my formation record to definitely not be 138! 

15 hours ago, BR(S) said:

Class 25 hauling part of an APT with one coach stuck on tilt:

 

 

I've seen this image for sale on eBay, and it claims to be 25138, but I'm suspicious of the accuracy of that claim!  Although not listed on either photo, the APT set is 370001, formed 48101, 48601, 48204 and 49005.  This may have been 370001's last mainline movement, as it arrived in Derby sometime around then, and never ran again, eventually being broken up there in 1987.  The dodgy tilt seems to have been a lifelong feature for 48601 in particular - perhaps the extra diesel generator set in the van was too much. 😉

8 hours ago, ColinK said:

Two generator vans, any idea why?

The ex-Royal one was, I think, acting purely as the staff coach for the rake.  And presumably brake.  I don't think the generator was running - or if it was, it was being drowned out by the 50/HST-van sandwich!

Don't often get 50s 'round our way...  A handful from the Grampian Highlander railtour that passed by (quite slowly) several times this weekend (screenshots from video footage - clink link to view on YouTube).

Arriving into Aberdeen on the first leg from Taunton.

First train into Raith's Farm depot at Dyce in quite a while (for running round / stabling overnight).

Running round at Raith's Farm

Approaching Inverurie on the second day.

A wave from the cab at Inverurie

You want grilles?  We've got grilles!  Awaiting entry to Raith's Farm at Dyce Station on the second day.
The former HST Generator Van (6310) was in operation.

Departing Aberdeen, passing Cove, on the morning of the third day.

Taking the curves at Cove.

Earlier today - 43182 heading south through Kintore.

36 minutes ago, Northmoor said:

Also posted elsewhere and not trains, but here's some model boats I (and Dad and the neighbours' sons) made from off-cuts of wood, in my childhood.  They were to populate a dock (well, the carpet) when I had my Matchbox dockside set all laid out.  Scale is best described as "various".

Why there might have been a, aircraft carrier, frigate and a submarine in my imagined equivalent of Heysham, I'm not sure and yes, I do now understand the political sensitivity of my fictional ferry operator.....

😲

Well, here's a staggering coincidence for you ...

These are the only remaining (and sadly worst-finished) examples of my Carpet Boats, that I built with my grandad back in the early 1980s.  The earlier ones were much more elegant, with hints of Windermere's Teal and Swan to them, and neatly filed and sanded into smooth shapes.  Lion and Lord of the Isles here were latter-day creations, where I was clearly more interested in hacking things into the "right" general shape as quickly as possible.

15 hours ago, Halvarras said:

 

I've often wondered too what the future would have held for DP2 - if 'Falcon' could survive that long without the commonality of parts DP2 enjoyed (I think it was the diminishing number of functioning traction motors which did for 'Falcon' in the end) the success which was DP2 would surely have lived on even longer. With all Class 50s on the WR it would have made sense to allocate DP2 there as well (if it was still going by 1976), and the thought of a Deltic-shaped loco regularly arriving at Penzance was enough for me to consider grabbing a Heljan model from Hattons when they were having a £70 stock clearance (imagine that now!) for repainting into a 'might-have-been' BR-owned 49001........but considering was as far as I got!

 

When I got a Heljan 'Lion' my Other Half looked at it and said "That's nice - what colour are you going to paint it?" Well, I mean, she was astute enough to realise that white was a stoopid colour for a locomotive so nobody would deliberately paint one white all over, right? - so it must be in primer......I tried not to laugh too much because she's from Northern Ireland with temperament to match 😉!

Reminds me of a couple of things I prepared (much) earlier... 

(Also available in two-tone green, plain blue, and INTERCITY swallow. 😉 )

<digression class="minor"> Even as recently as the 1980s, BR decided that the APT-P should have effectively four catering vehicles per 12+2  train set, with two TRSB cars (with some 2nd class seating) and two adjacent TU vehicles (unclassified first class style seating, marshalled between the buffet and the first class accommodation) to act as restaurant cars per train half.  Curiously this seems to have been a late change from having an additional second class trailer: vehicle numbers (and indeed numerous publications and official diagrams at the time) indicated that the half-sets would be formed

DTS [4810X]  TS [4820X]  TS [4830X]  TRSB [4840X]  TF [4850X]  TBF [4860X]  M [4900X]

but what was actually built was

DTS [4810X]  TS [4820X]  TRSB [4840X]  TU [4830X]  TF [4850X]  TBF [4860X]  M [4900X]

The consequence of this was a potential full length train with 86 seats reserved for dining, instead of an additional 144 second class seats.  In the event, the full 12+2 sets only ran with BR staff as passengers (albeit with full dining services at least some of the time) - public services operated with only one half-set in use, with a shortened 2-car set at the other end, locked out of use.  One can only assume the excess of catering was partly the last gasp of the old methods, and a way for BR to show off the shiny new train's impressive facilities.  And, alas, we all know how that turned out.

Even more curiously, earlier 1970s APT-P proposals had galley service (airline style) and either no kitchen/dining at all, or kitchen service for first class only, and galley for 2nd. </digression>

2 hours ago, montyburns56 said:

There's a comment by Natalie Jones that this was the first MK3 in Executive livery

 

 

The very earliest repaints are identifiable by the executive light grey band above the cantrail stripe, which was dropped for fleet application.