mark54

Definitely an FK. You can just make out the 4th vent near to the tank cover.

Unfortunately, although the yellow cantrail stripe is much finer on the FO, the bottom of the grey panel is too high up the body and doesn't match the TSO or BSO. Also the TSO has white gangway doors (should be fawn) plus the inside of the gangway and half the face plate is white which is pure fiction unless someone knows different. The TSO & BSO gangways appear to be completely unpainted. I still remain unconvinced about the window position and the wheel size.

The windows look too high up the body. They should line up with the door windows. Consequently there is not enough grey panel above the windows and too much below.

Phil, Lima used to make a Bogie Bolster E, so maybe the tooling is with Hornby. Not a bad model except for the bogies which need to be replaced. http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/ Look under Gallery and Bogie Flat & Well Wagons of what can be done.

Phil, there are two very good photos of S9211E & S9213E on Robert Caroll's BRCoachingStock Yahoo group. S9211E shows that it has screw couplings & BS gangways and gives a good view of the underframe equipment and some idea of the roof vents. S9213E is of the kitchen side and is in colour. If you are not a member it would be worth joining. Also there is a photo showing the roof of W9217E on his Flickr site. Unfortunately this Cafeteria Car is one of the Restaurant Car conversions (9215-7) and has different windows although the general layout of the vehicle is the same. The vent layout over the kitchen and cafeteria however is not the same as 9209-14 which appear to have a large long vent over the cafeteria section. The passenger saloon section looks the same however with 3 torpedo vents and toilet filler pipes for the staff toilet adjacent to the saloon on the corridor side. https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/13644395663/in/set-72157603653607671 Hope this assists

I think these interior views are also of a H55 car, although now dated 1951. Harris says there were no changes in BR days. http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10305096&itemw=4&itemf=0004&itemstep=1&itemx=26 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10305099&itemw=4&itemf=0004&itemstep=1&itemx=27

There is a photo in GW Coaches Appendix vol.2 by Russell of the corridor side. It also shows a cream panel at waist level at the centre with the lettering BUFFET CAR. On the Science & Society site are two interior views: http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10323922&itemw=4&itemf=0001&itemstep=1&itemx=23 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10323925&itemw=4&itemf=0001&itemstep=1&itemx=24

Commonwealth bogies were trialled on FO E3076-E3080 from 1956. Full production was from 1960 when all passenger carrying Mk1 stock would have had them, until the end of Mk1 production in 1964. The trial pair of B4 bogies was introduced in 1956. There was a short pre-production batch in 1961 as mentioned above. Full production of B4 (and the heavy duty B5) commenced in 1964 for new Mk2 stock and as replacements for BR1 bogies on earlier Mk1 stock, in particular catering cars, sleeping cars, first class coaches and late 1950s production batches that had more modern interiors.

In the early 1960s there was a small pre-production run of B4 bogies that were fitted to the Mk1 coaches in the Bristolian & Red Dragon sets. These sets were in Chocolate and Cream livery. There is a photo of FK W13074 in Choc/Cream and with B4 bogies on the tile page of British Railway Coaching Stock in Colour for the Modeller and Historian. Taken at Leamington Spa on 3rd July 1964 on a Paddington-Birkenhead service - so by then probably dispersed from the Bristolian or Red Dragon by new Commonwealth bogie maroon Mk1 stock.

Here is a page from the Corporate Identity manual from January 1966 showing the livery of a Mk1 FK. Definitely has blue solebars! http://www.doublearrow.co.uk/manual/4_103.1966-01.gif

There is a problem for the diag. 352 rebuild. The kitchen windows were different. That in 1705 extended right up to the gutter and consequently cut through the lining in maroon livery and the red stripe in blue/grey. That in 1706 did not and was shallower in depth. Therefore if a manufacturer went for this option they could only properly represent one or the other. As far as I know they were never regulars in the Cambridge Buffet Express, only stand-ins. However they were regulars in The Highwayman which ran in 1970 and 1971, one in each set. Mark

The vehicles you mentioned don't have cages. I should have been more specific. What I meant was that up to now RTR brake coaches which have cages in the van area are moulded in solid plastic. Mark

It's possible that the delay to the brake vehicles is down to them due to be fitted with etched cages in the van area. For the first time in RTR we should have see-through brake vehicles! Mark

I think that to re-engine with an EE8SVT would have increased the overall weight too much (and given about 10% less power). In any case once they were re-furbished in 1964, the available evidence suggests that they were both reliable and useful locomotives. However by the late 1960s and with a shrinking rail network post-Beeching, BR had too many small diesel locomotives. It was inevitable that the small and non-standard classes would be the first to go, even if they had been re-engined. Mark

The Baby Deltic did not have the same cab shape as the 37 & 40. The roof profile was flatter and the 3-part front windows were consequently not quite so arched. Compared to photos, Heljan's representation of these seems reasonable to me. Mark

The Class 47 at High Dyke is more likely to be hauling the 11:30 Kings Cross-Harrogate. This was an 8-coach so-called "high speed" set - formation 3TSO(Mk2a), RB(Mk1), RU(Mk1), 2FO(Mk1), BFK(Mk2a). The reporting number was 1N13, so maybe the 1 has been wrongly set as a 5. Mark

The prototype Mk1 & Mk2 coach overall height was 12' 4.5" which is 49.5mm in 4mm scale. The original release of Bachmann Mk2 coaches was pretty close being a fraction under. The Bachmann Mk1 is too tall being a little over 50mm. The discrepancy is in the depth of the sides, so unfortunately you can't lower the bogie ride height. The Bachmann Mk2 should match the Hornby Mk1 though. The 2nd release of Bachmann Mk2a coaches had a modified B4 bogie which incorrectly lowered the ride height. I suspect Bachmann modified the B4 to lower the ride height when fitted to Mk1's which originally rode even highter than the CW and BR1 fitted versions (nearer 50.5mm). Gresley and Thompson coaches at 12' 6" would not match Mk1 coaches in overall height as can be seen with these sleeping cars: https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/3411736681/sizes/o/

The Booth Car was a 1968 conversion from a former Mk1 kitchen car, as was the Lounge-Buffet Car. Both are featured here: http://www.britishpathe.com/video/london-new-catering-coaches-aka-new-british-rail/query/railway+restaurant+car

From 1962 only one of the two sets had a Gresley buffet car. By Sept 1964 the two formations were as follows: 1) BSO, TSO, TSO, RB(Gresley), FK, TSO, BSO 2) BSO, TSO, TSO, RMB, FK, TSO, BSO By 1968 the sets only had one brake vehicle: 1) TSO, TSO, BSK(or BSO), RB(Gresley), FK, TSO, TSO 2) TSO, TSO, BSK(or BSO), RMB, FK, TSO, TSO In 1972 the Gresley car was replaced by the prototype Booth Car E1106: 1) TSO, CK, BSO, TSO, Booth Car, CK, TSO 2) TSO, TSO, BSO, RMB, FK, TSO, TSO, TSO* In 1973 both sets were expanded to 8 coaches: 1) TSO, FK, BSO, TSO, Booth Car, TSO, TSO, TSO 2) TSO, TSO, BSO, RMB, FK, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSO*, TSO* * 15:30 Camb-KX & 17:14 KX-Camb only The sets basically stayed the same (although the order of the vehicles did change slightly) until withdrawal of through services to Cambridge on electrification in Feb 1978. Substitutions were some sometimes made for the non-availability of the Booth Car including at least once a Gresley car. Prior to 1973 Saturday services would often have an extra TSO added to make up to 8 coaches.

As far as I am aware, none of the 4 Hawksworth first class sleeping cars received blue/grey livery. However at least 3 Thompson second class sleepers in blue/grey were allocated to the WR. Mark

Definitely an RUO. Distinguishing features are the laminate side walls, wood framed loose chairs and aluminiuum luggage racks. The FK is Mk2a with old style first class window labels. You beat me to it Robert!

The Nov 1991 Motive Power magazine has an article called "Edge Hill's Club Trains". As well as InterCity sets, as of Sept 1991 26 AB Mk2 vehicles were allocated to the depot for RR services, sets listed: LL21 - 9458, 5353, 5386, 5401, 17128 LL22 - 9435, 5385, 5266, 5304, 5366 LL24 - 5267, 5396, 9421, 5393, 17123 LL25 - 9419, 5505, 5491, 5316, 5432, 9424 Spares - 5271, 5282, 5354, 9417, 17118 The article text explains the services they were used on.

There is evidence that the Brake Seconds had both both battery boxes opposite each other at the brake end (the photo in Parkin certainly shows this). Unfortunately clear side-on photos of underframes are hard to come by, so I couldn't say whether this applies to all of them. The other types appear to have them diagonally on the right, when viewing from the side. As Bachmann use a standard underframe, their Brake Second looks to be wrong in this respect. Mark

It looks remarkably similar to a pair of SR Weltrols which I saw plans of in Southern Wagons Vol.4. The ends look basically correct but the well section should have 8 (rather than 5) vertical sections along the sides. It is possible to splice a section in the middle of the Tri-ang model and the length comes out at approx 55 feet which is roughly right (I don't have the book).

D5835 had a Mirrlees JVS12T engine as did all Brush Type 2's originally.