minislot

1 hour ago, 65179 said:

 

Depending on how far you want to go with the details, when choosing Jubilees on the Midland it pays to look carefully at the tenders. The Stanier 3500 gallon tender (shorter than the normal 4000 gallon variety) was particularly common.  When the shorter length isn't visible you can identify them by the lower placed row of rivets across the sides and round the tender rear. Apologies if I'm teaching grandma to suck eggs.

 

Compare this Midland stalwart (embedded Flickr image not mine) 45694 with 4000 gallon tender:

 

 

 

with the smaller tender on this johnny come lately (embedded Flickr image not mine) 45593 with 3500 gallon tender:

 

 

Jubilee tenders are a nightmare for variation, as are details of so many other other classes, but I only mention this particular one because I didn't know the smaller tender existed until I started choosing a Midland Division loco to model!

 

Simon

I knew about Jubilee variations generally, but not the trick on spotting tender capacities at distance. Though midland mainline loco's having 3500's because the 4000's were needed elsewhere makes sense.

(Here's hoping the free hand of capitalism sorts out Bachmanns short/long firebox self-fufilling prophecy; speaking as someone who would love a modern Leander or one of the 10 Derby-Built examples, regardless of East-Midlands applicability.)

Thank you all, this has really helped me get a broader picture of what I was looking for.

Will now know who to be looking for when considering a Brit, Scot, or Jubilee.

Thank you both.

I'd looked at the list of allocations but had assumed they were being used here later on than 1959/1960.

I know there were meant to be a few issues with the Britannia's on the Manchester-St. Pancras and other similar diagrams. So i'll have to look into whether Jubilee's were more dominant than I thought, and when the Sulzer Type 4's came in.

I've been trying to figure out which specific Britannia class locos were used on services on the midland mainline out of St.Pancras in the 1950's & 1960's. I know they arrived relatively late after diesel and electric haulage took over their' duties elsewhere, but trying to find details on which specific loco's were used on services like Manchester-St. Pancras has been surprisingly difficult.

Any photos or details on which shed(s) they would have been allocated to during this period, would be greatly appreciated.