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The twin bolster looks amazing Neil. I rarely get bolster pins to print in FDM but am happy to replace them with brass.

Thanks for the link to the Manchester photos Mol. Any pics of containers are welcome. I had come to same conclusion as Alan, namely that crimson lake was probably only used on furniture containers or ones seen as public rather than industry facing. It’s a shame as I think the steel types would look good in crimson lake. There is a  YouTube video of Camden goods depot in LMS days. Would a colouriser maybe work better in a video where there is more detail etc, in adjoining frames to play with or does it only colourise on a frame by frame basis?

sorry, right pic this time

As we are trying to arrange for decals for the containers that we have drawn, we have been stumped by LMS container colours. Essery's LMS wagons Vol.2 says that the livery could be light or dark grey with white lettering,  or crimson lake with yellow lettering. From the pictures in his work, I believe that the furnititure containers were crimson lake and even had coaching stock style shadd lettering throughout, and some carried the LMS roundel. What is less clear is whether other containers had crimson lake paint or was it justdark grey. To my eyes, several of the B tye containers were painted crimson late rather than dark grey, but that is just going by my imterpretation of the shade.hue/depth, whatever you call it, of the grey in the black and white photos. Essery states that these containers could be crimson lake, or just dark grey but never commits as to which is more likely in any caption. So even though the LMS livery guides say some containers were crison lake with yellow letttering or than furniture ones with shared yellow/gold lettering, is anyone aware of what colour the steel types, and others in the book were most likely to have been. I have tried running scans of them through an online colouriser, but eah time the result still looks like a black and white pic. does this mean the containers were therefore dark grey or is the colouriser just useless? Hvave any more recently articles since Vol. 2's ublication shed more light on this issue. Any info would be gratefully appreciated. I would like to see these models in crimson livery as I think that would be more attractive, but I'm more concerned that they look accurate.

Also please find attached a screen rint of the latest D ype - an LMS steel version.

Hi Evertrainz,

I sent you a message last week re containers and conflats. Can you please message me back as there may be somebody interetsed in making a conflat wagon and I see no point in duplicating models of the same vehiles so I am just trying to co-ordinate any efforts that may be out there. For example, I had seen somebody talking about drawing a LNER D25 frozen meat container but there is already a .stl available for such an item.

All the best,

Stephen

Hi Neil,

I love the MR rail wagon. I had been planning to try and draw the bodies of some of the long wheelbase MR stores vehicles to compliment the Colin Ashby sleeper wagons I have, but you have beat me too it!

Hi,

I have printed quite a few of Jonnys files on my Ender 3 S1 in 4mm using PLA+ or more usually Esun ePLA. I usually slice with Cura at 0.08mm height, more recently at 0.04mm, and a print speed of 30mms on a 0.4mm nozzle. The Cura slicer does not always pick up the thin edges, though it does most of the time. However I have sliced the awkward ones, like the pig irons, with Prusa and it works everyt time. I have just dropped won to a 0.2mm nozzle and the results look stunning. The problem is not in Jonny's designs, its in the slicer. Set up your slicer right and they will print. If you are used to Creality or Cura, the switch to Prusa is a little daunting at first as the user interface is quite different, but you can soon gett the hang of it. That said I'm still struggling to set my rafts up as nicely in Prusa as I had them in Cura.

Hi folks,

The diminutive H type was used by the LMS, GWR, LNER and BR in large numbers. The 6 plank D type was also used by the LNER, LMS, BR and the GWR, the latter with a curved lid (also modelled by Sascha). The prints below are some of my tests prints, some quite early attempts, all on a 04mm nozzle on the Ender 3 S1. I was experimenting with different layer heights, print speeds, etc. The last shot of the steel LMS A types were done using a 0.2mm nozzle. The one on the right was sliced in Cura while the one on the left was sliced in Prusa. The Prusa definitely gives sharper results, though all FDM prints need some degree of cleaning up. I should have switched to a 0.2mm nozzle much earlier and I plan to revisit all these designs with a 0.2mm nozzle over the coming months. Phil Griffiths has seen the results improve over time at the Ulster Model Railway Club sessions.

Hi folks,

Yes some containers have been drawn up and will be released shortly. They are mostly LMS examples, but some are LNER only. Several, such as the Butterly containers, the D and the BX were used by more than one company. However we (Sascha Freudenberg and myself) would prefer to get pre-nationalisation transfers sorted for them first so that we can point people towards a source for finishing these delightful items.I need to extract a digit in that regard. I should say up front that it is Sascha who has done all the hard work with regards to the drawing these for 2mm and I just offer the odd comment on his initial drawings and test print them in 4mm on my Ender 3 S1. In addition to Jonathan's wonderfully finished examples, here are a few more items as a taster of what will be to come. These have all been printed already, as some of the other images attest but please bear in mind that they will look better in resin than what I have achieved so far in FDM. Other containers are in the pipeline too and we are discussing the possibility of getting containers wagons made available from other sources.

These are fantastic looking sets of wagonry. Very impressive indeed. I would love to be able to justify the Midland one going through Carlisle in the 1930s or later but I doubt they made it up that way with those guns. Though if somebody could supply evidence to the contrary, I would be delighted. My dad would appreciate it if evidence of them going through Edinburgh could be found. That would be g

his Christmas present sorted. However could the MR bogies find a use under other wagons? I don’t have Essery Vol.2 to hand but may get a chance to check it out in a day or two. Amazing models.

Great to see Sacha’s steel container on this. I will be following the conflat build to see how it goes as I am in sore need of some conflats too. Could a new deck for this diagram be the first wagon body I finally get designed in Fusion?

Hi Rob,

Those wagons look fantastic with a coat of paint on them. The Lanky fish van is a particular favourite of mine. I’ve one brass and two white metal versions in 4mm and rule one applies when running them on my Anglo Scottish fish train through Carlisle. I’m sure the odd one must have crept in from Furness/MCR metals.

Any more progress on the sales of your .stls?

Sorry should have added a link to some of my prints of Sascha’s designs on the LNER info website. https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14533

If anyone else is using an Ender 3 S1 I would be grateful to know what settings you are using to get good quality prints.

I should have added that while Sascha models in 2mm his design print very well in 4mm. At 0.05 layer height to get the best curve on the roof a 4mm print with supports can take anywhere from 9-20 hours depending on the supports used. The steel and ply containers are about 9-12 hours, planked versions are longer.

I can vouch for Slanjanok’s work and his prodigious output. I am in touch with Sascha regularly and he has been designing a growing range of containers as that’s his key area of interest, but he does some railway related road vehicles too. I have seen his preproduction photos of an AEC Y type and a charabanc. He has also just done an LMS D50/LNER B6/GWR BX4? Container which I am trying to print at the minute on my Ender 3 S1. Unfortunately I changed something in my profile a couple of months back and no amount of changing settings has delivered the same quality of prints I was getting in January and February.

Sacha’s LNER/LMS Steel containers are superb as are the LMS meat containers he did largely for me, but has shared online. His private owner furniture container can be printed with doors open or closed. The open version is a work of art with the interior batten detail. Plus he has removal men and figures done too. And he is kind enough to release all these for free. He has other designs done which I have tested printed a few months ago but we are holding off on them until we can get someone to do suitable transfers. I will be approaching Fox shortly about the LNER liveries but the LMS ones are more intricate and I need more details, such as font/type face, etc. If anyone has any info in that area please let me by a post here or private PM. GWR liveries are also a mystery to me in that regard despite have all the standard references.

Thanks or the link Phil

Hi Rob,

Great to see you have got things sorted to make your wagons available. For those of us looking for 4mm versions to ask Gary to place in the queue, do you have a complete list anywhere of all your models? Does this mean you have given up on the idea of making the .stl files available/downloadable separately for those of us who would like to print our own?

On a different topic, how are your NBR carriage plans progressing?

I agree with JCL, I too would like to see some of Woko’s files becoming available. Realistically, I doubt the commercial path is going to work beyond something like Cults3d where designers can set a value on what they upload or can be generous enough to make it freely available. I like to thank those designers on Cults3d and Thingiverse for their generosity if they make their designs free to others.

Thanks Paula. I will revisit the trees option in Cura. I had only seen the option for one single tree support but if multiple trees can be set up then that’s a different matter.  I hear what you are saying about separate floors. I have thought about effectively separating the body and chassis by dropping the print through the print bed floor in the slicer until just the body is showing. Print that on its own then reverse the procedure and turn the print upside down in the slicer until the top of the chassis is visible above the print bed to print that. I might giv tat a hot this week.

It does not do it everytime thankfully. Here are some LMS and LNER containers which were fine, though in fairness these had braces underneath the prototype which meant the corners were not in contact with the raft. Could it be a solution to lift the orint in the slicer a few mm and tell it add supports from the base plate? Might be worth a try. I have also uploaded shots of the 1 pig iron wagon to show the effect of even minimal support density on the planked floor when printing upside down.

A couple of pics to illustrate matters

TIt’s been a while since my last post on here. I have been making some headway with printing. I have switched to using the Cura slicer and have been getting much better detail. Slowing the printing has helped too. My acid test had been the end door of a 16t mineral wagon. I am pleased to say that my Ender S1 is now coping flawlessly with Jonny Duffett’s 16t design and the webs of his pig iron wagons.

I do need to find a a way to modify supports to get the chassis out when printing the right way up. The quick fix is to print the wagon upside down but this has the drawback of ruining the floor, especially for planked wagons. I have downloaded the latest Prusa Slicer which is supposed to allow for better use of tree supports. I will let you know how that goes once I figure out the interface.

However my biggest problem is still with prints curling up at the corners on many occasions. I print everything on rafts and the rafts stick to the bed almost like glue but the corners still curl up a lot of the time leaving banana shaped bases. I recently printed Sascha Freudenberg’s prototype of an LNER D18 ventilated meat container. Both prints curled slightly at the ends. I am printing inside a commercially bought enclosure, albeit a frame supporting a large plastic cube with zipped opening door. It has definitely helped. The enclosure sits at ground level between two bits of furniture so no draft should be getting to the print bed. It is certainly warm inside it during printing. Has anybody any ideas of the cause and a possible fix? 

Thanks in advance.

Thanks very much for the link to this. This seems like a great idea. I presume you could use it with your own photos, say of family members, rather than photos online? You would just need it to point to you pictures on you computer.

I have used cults3d extensively for downloading .stls. It’s a huge site catering to evything and it seems to pick up files from Thingiverse as well. I have downloaded lots of military files and some jeeps both free and paid for .stls. I have had zero problems using it. I see no reason why it would not work for railway items. It’s easy enough to search for railway items at present on it. I have downloaded some containers from it, some bridges and viaducts,. There are station buildings, blocks of flats, etc., up there too. It is up to the dinner if they want to charge for their files. I have seen some designs for a Dodge weapons carrier up there for free and others cost £20. Equally there are loads of crates and barrels etc up there which are useful for wagon loads. Again some are free others are not. I have downloaded some stuff for free and have paid for a few items. The downloads are always done in a few minutes.

Jonny Duffett (Ironmink designs) on Thingiverse has an amazing collection of wagons which he has kindly made available for free. I have downloaded all of them anD printed quite a few. His designs keep getting better and CCTrans has provided decals for some of them.

Sascha Freudenberg (Slanjanok) on Thingiverse has also made his files available for free. These are mainly containers and old vehicles such as Thornycroft lorries but they are great. You can see some of my prints of his containers on the LNER info forum. 

I have only just started in Fusion 360 and have put up some vents for the likes of LMS banana vans, etc for free on Thingiverse.

The Gauge 1. guild has an active community some of whom have shared files via their website.

Sithlord of this parish tried to start a file exchange a few years back and was kind enough to share some files with me  over the last few months. Both Kevin and Sascha are 2mm modellers but I have found no issues in scaling up to 4mm. Sascha’s recent LMS and LNER B type steel containers look great, as does the 1936 LMS plywood design he drew this week. The beauty of 3D printing is the ability to rescale to suit.  I would love to see a site where railway modellers can share files for free, or charge if they do wish, but Thingiverse, ults3d and Printsbles - where Slanjanok also uploads his designs, are dead on for using anyway. Just google lner steel container .stl and you will find the Printsbles and Thingiverse pages where these are.

stephen