swampy

Try this...

https://emgs.org/virtual-show-2021-welcome-closed/virtual-show-2021-demonstrations-pre-group-wagons/

On 10/03/2024 at 13:57, melmerby said:

Late 1920s according to caption on the main photo that it's taken from:

https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwrrm881.htm

Also visible is a wagon longer than the others, maybe an ex-LYR double end door open , with one end boarded up, Dia 81 or 83 possibly.

and possibly two ex-LYR Dia 99 vans at the back.

On 10/03/2024 at 00:09, Compound2632 said:

 

Late 1920s, they tell us. Note the ex-LNWR D84 open still with LNWR lettering. Also various Rapido products including a Caledonian van. 

 

A curiosity is the ex-Midland D307 sleeper wagon, which resolves the question of LMS lettering on these - LMS on the bottom three planks but not overlapping the drop-side top three planks as the MR lettering had done; the LMS letters weren't as tall as the MR ones.

ISTR there was a full page photo of a train made up of these MR sleeper wagons with (very blurred) similar large LMS lettering in Bill Hudson's "Through Limestone Hills".  Haven't seen a copy for ages, though, so I may be wrong about the photo, or even the book. Perhaps someone with a copy could check.

5 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

It's Father Stone.

Apart from the pose...

and hospital...

and she doesn't look like Ted...

On 20/01/2024 at 15:25, Karl said:

Castle No. 5015 'Kingswear Castle' is prepped for a turn on 'The Bristolian'.

Shades(!) of Model Railway Constructor in the sixties

On 05/10/2023 at 17:31, swampy said:

Middle of Lidl (at least the one between Halifax and Bradford) has some digital calipers @ £9.99.

 

Last Wednesday, the same Lidl also had some micrometers in stock.

Middle of Lidl (at least the one between Halifax and Bradford) has some digital calipers @ £9.99.

11 minutes ago, Pacific231G said:

That's interesting as Deep Navigation was a real colliery in the Treharris district. I wonder if Ian Rice's plan was based on it or if he just liked the name.

 

Based on Maritime Pit at Pontypridd ( he writes )

1 hour ago, martinapsid said:

Hi Nick thanks for your through's about the exchange sidings.My thoughts are the Welsh valleys as i live in South Wales and from photos i have seen some of the sidings are away from the colliery and can by just a run round loop with a few sidings which from a cost point of view is good as ive got a oo gauge lay out as well!Martin

In his book "Model Railway Layout Design", Iain Rice showed a multi-level plan for a South Wales based pit, "Deep Navigation Colliery".

Pete

44 minutes ago, Les Green said:

Also the picture of a streamliner shows a small vent. This is not part of the kit and I have a feeling an etch is available. Again anyone any ideas? The model is  00 scale EM gauge.

 

Loco profile no 37 has a works picture of 6225, with the caption commenting that the ventilation louvres were added to the 1938 batch of streamliners, and were therefore missing on 6220-4 (as built). So it depends what number you're modelling.

21 hours ago, Morello Cherry said:

Having lived Vienna as my first German speaking city my spoken German is full of Viennese/Austrian German inflections. The upshot is that when I moved to Bavaria, greeting people with/going to shops etc and saying Grüß Gott got me some very strange looks. 

 

That said, we had Austrian regional TV on our TV which I watched to improve my German but frankly some of the regional accents were completely unintelligible

Having lived in Klagenfurt in Carinthia/Kärnten for a year in early 70s as part of a German degree, I can sympathise with German speakers trying to understand Austrian or Swiss dialects. I lodged with a family who originally came from a remote valley near the Slovenian border, and it took me a couple of weeks to get the hang of "Karntnerisch", which apparently Germans found hard to understand. Some of the the southern Austrians I meet on holiday are surprised to find an Englishman recognising their accent, and asking if they live near Klagenfurt.

8 hours ago, SM42 said:

Trying to learn Polish is a nightmare. 

 

7 cases ( I don't understand the names of them in English, so what hope is there to use them correctly in Polish?) 3 genders so that's potentially 21 different endings to each noun and its adjectives. 

 

 

42 endings? 7 cases x 2 (singular and plural) =14 x 3 genders =42

43 minutes ago, airnimal said:

Looking at the photographs and drawing I am wondering if I should make the veranda footstep that goes completely around the body from brass or nickel for strength. I am not sure of the thickness of this footboard because I have only the Vol 2 of the wagon book to work from and not a works drawing. 

It would have to take a mans weight so it must have been a couple of inches thick. I may cut a complete piece out of 40 thou and see what that looks like before making a decision. 

 

Mike , there is a detailed GA drawing no 1829 of the Diagram 21 brake van in the "Virtual Museum" on the LYRS website. The end elevation shows the lower footsteps as 1 and 3/8" thick; the upper veranda step looks to be the same , drawn about half the size of the 3" floorboards.

HTH

Pete   

9 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

On the question of lettering for the sleeper wagons, the photo of the fixed-side lot 70 wagon shows the style in use at the time it was built (or photographed) in the 1880s, before the large MR lettering became ubiquitous, whereas the photo of the drop-side lot 273 wagon shows the style that was in vogue from the early '90s to the end of Midland days, to the best of my knowledge. In the absence of photographic evidence, I think it's reasonable to assume that fixed-side wagons ended up with the same layout of lettering, STORES SLEEPERS moving up one plank. I've got an inkling I have seen a photo of the drop-side type in LMS livery, with LMS replacing MR but other lettering unchanged. 

I think there is a photo of a train of these sleeper wagons in Bill Hudson's " Through limestone hills", but as I don't own a copy, I could well be mistaken.

Pete

On 02/08/2022 at 18:13, Ncarter2 said:

Generally used to aid track stiffness and in areas of restricted clearances, there are some good articles online for them. 
I am sure I have some information from a trip to DB a few years back, I’ll try to find it. 
It was interesting that they had seen use in high tonnage areas. 
 

The below link give some information about them as well. 
 

https://www.globalrailwayreview.com/article/846/dbs-experience-with-y-steel-sleepers/

Thanks a lot, I'll pass it on. He's a retired engineer, and should appreciate the technical info

Pete

A friend of mine is travelling round eastern Europe in his motorhome and occasionally sends me photos of interesting railway stuff.

He recently sent me this picture from Poland of some unusual v-shaped steel sleepers, and was wondering if I could enlighten him as to why they were this shape , as opposed to the usual cross sleeper.

As I can't , hopefully some-one else could let me know, please.

Pete

On 20/04/2022 at 13:05, martin_wynne said:

I'm not a mod, except on the Templot section, just an ordinary member here.

 

Those who were paying attention will remember 2 events:

 

A long outage for several days, starting in late March. At that time all images which had been uploaded since May 31st 2021 until the outage occurred were permanently lost.

 

A short outage lasting a few hours, a few days later. At that time the sub-domain containing the images was changed from content.invisioncic.com to content-eu.invisioncic.com for reasons known only to Invision, probably related to the massive size of the data.

 

The consequence of that is that all images which had been re-indexed during the first outage, or uploaded subsequently, now have to be re-indexed again. That work is ongoing.

 

If you re-uploaded images between the first outage and the second, which now seem to have gone missing yet again, they almost certainly have not. They will reappear in due course.

 

Any images uploaded now will not be lost, but they may disappear for a short while, before reappearing.

 

Invision have a massive task on their hands getting the entire site back fully working again, after the previous hosting provider wrecked it and very nearly lost the whole lot. All we can do is wait.

 

Martin.

TThe move from "content" to "content-eu" looks to have caused the pages to revert to text on my work laptop, as outlined earlier Not sure why that would make a difference on the work VPN, but presumably due to the latter being blocked, and the former being ok.

Pete

On 12/04/2022 at 16:27, Moonter said:

Hi

I can't see any mention of this issue in the thread so am raising it to see if anyone else has seen it and whether there might be a workaround.

The site loads quickly and completely on my phone and my personal laptop. However on my work laptop, it renders as a mostly text page with huge images that just contain a single letter that I think correspond to avatars. The site used to render fine before the enforced change of host. I have tried Edge and Chrome on this laptop (the only two browsers available to us). I have waited before posting this as I am not permitted to clear cache/history and hoped that something would expire. I assume our corporate proxy is blocking some crucial aspect of the forum.

Has anyone else seen this and if so did you find a workaround?

Clearly this is not critical, after all I should be working! But it is frustrating not being able to check in during breaks.

 

Thanks for any input, and a repeat of the many thanks given to Andy and team for getting the forum back up and running.

 

Gary

 

This is the same problem I mentioned a few pages back. Since the host change, rmweb has displayed correctly on my personal laptop and phone, but failed to display on the work laptop using MS edge and internet explorer, even after clearing history/cookies etc. However it did display ok on the work laptop using a secure browser called garrison, but only up to 5th April, when the server was down for maintenance. After that, garrison will only display as text, so possibly the CSS was moved to the site mentioned by @Moonter below, which is blocked on the work VPN, or something else changed on 5th.

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A wee bit of amateur debugging seems to show that the CSS are hosted on content-eu.invisioncic.com which is explicitly blocked on the proxy.

A pity, as browsing here was a pleasant way of spending lunchtime at work. As it works for probably 99.99% of users, I doubt it's high on on Andy's radar.

Pete

3 hours ago, AY Mod said:

 

It certainly sounds more like the browsers not seeing the css correctly. I've just done a system cache flush at this end to see if it helps.

Thanks Andy, but unfortunately that hasn't made any difference. I'll try tweaking some more settings here

Pete

Congrats on getting the site back Andy. 

My laptop now will only display RMweb in text mode using MS Edge and also internet explorer after the migration to the new provider, so I guess a script has changed somewhere, maybe Javascript or CSS, although I'm not too au fait with those.

I've reset dns, cleared cache, and checked security settings, but still shows text mode. 

Pete

On 02/03/2022 at 00:01, The Johnster said:

I particularly recall one of a Trix Standard 5MT ascending a bank over a girder bridge, with very effective smoke and steam effect as a backdrop.  Inside was a shot of a HD 8F banking the train, which had an LMS brake van.  Another featured a telephoto shot of a Western overtaking a 37 on a 4-track main line with a steelworks backdrop, very suggestive of the SWML betwen Port Talbot and Margam.

All the covers ( albeit low res) can be found here at the magazine exchange starting in 1964

On 24/02/2022 at 14:20, drduncan said:

Do you have any dimensions for the height of the rounded end above the side of the wagon. I’m imagining it would be a single 7” plank which would match the side planks or maybe a 9” one. Do you have any thoughts.

 

Yes, here are my thoughts...

Just in case you haven't found any drawings, I've dug out my made up GWW 3 planker, and the dimensions are as follows, measured with a vernier:

Top of side to bottom of solebar  = 11.5mm

Top of round end to bottom of headstock = 15.1mm

So the top plank is 3.6mm, which equates to about 10.8" in 4mm scale. It doesn't overlap the side.

The chord is 27.25mm, so I'll leave others to work out the radius of the round end, my O-level maths was a long time ago.

Pete

6 hours ago, Happy Hippo said:

Stop Press!

 

I've just done today's Wordle quiz in one!

 

I'll wager that won't happen again 

 

You must have found it difficult to breathe under the circumstances.

1 minute ago, drduncan said:

Pete,

Might I ask a favour? Would it be possible to scan the Edward Bros drawing and the HMRS drawing and pm them over to me?

Thanks
Duncan

Sorry Duncan, I don't have the actual drawings. I was merely showing where the drawings can be found.

Pete

If you can get your hands on a copy, the 16 page instruction sheet from Great Western Wagons 3 plank kit has the history, lot list with numbers, livery details, an extract of an 1884 engraving, and a source list of 23 photos. 

The 1884 engraving is in "Proceedings of the Institute of Mechanical Engineers" 1884 Plate 68. I doubt your local library will have it.   

Drawings are available in

• Railway Equipment Drawings by L. Tavender 
• Edward Bros ( scale drawings) ref 12/9 ( round ends)
• Development of the GWR 16' open wagon, HMRS journal 1972 , v7, nos 9/10/11

BG 3 planks had square ends.

Round end disappeared c. 1914 .

All the above info is from the instructions. I've never heard of Edward Bros. Did they do a range of drawings like Skinley?

HTH

Pete