Neil

5 hours ago, Adi said:

Gwr 26xx would be great

Oh dear, that's as ugly as the 517 is pretty.

2 hours ago, Harlequin said:

 

Hi Neil, Was this ever resolved? If so, it would be interesting to know what the problem was.

 

I'm not sure, my mate is on his way back from France so I'll update when I find out more.

6 minutes ago, Paul.Uni said:

I'm temped to get a 517. What one would be most suitable to go with the Autocoach in Crimson Lake livery?

The Ratio GWR four wheelers. First photo down here

Well that's a weird coincidence; I've just been re-reading the Wild Swan book on the Golden Valley Railway and thought that the 517 was probably the most obvious missing GWR loco. As a rule I'm not a fan of the GWR but the open cab 517 does look particulary lovely.

1 hour ago, GrumpyPenguin said:

Interesting discussions.

 

However, where is the money coming from ?

(unless I've missed that bit).

Taxation; at least I hope it does. Though of late tax has been a bit of a dirty word I believe that fair taxation is a good thing. If it's done fairly then those with the greatest wealth/highest income pay more, as they should do, for things which benefit the whole nation. Loading it all onto the consumer (passenger in this case) means that the millionaire pays the same as the person on benefits, which seems wrong. Of course this all depends on the fairness of taxation, here are some interesting figures which suggest that the fairness part has been significantly lacking over the years.

12 hours ago, Neil said:

.... I'm thinking of the huge increase in house prices in cities, particularly London, which must have led to big increases in commuting. .....

8 hours ago, melmerby said:

Commuting is down, leisure travel is up. (more days off due to WFH)

I was thinking more long term, since the privatisation of rail rather than post Covid.

52 minutes ago, Andy Kirkham said:

 

The statistic that patronage doubled after privatisation is often quoted by its supporters. But what I've not heard them say is what exactly it was that the privatised railway did that was so much better than BR. One trend of the privatised era was more frequent but shorter trains; however that was started by BR. Can it be argued that the doubling would have happened anyway if BR had continued?

41 minutes ago, Chris M said:

.....  On the other hand it has to be said that passenger numbers and indeed passenger service are far better now that they ever were under British Rail. Many stations have three times the number of trains now compared to the 1960s & 1970s. How much of that is down to private companies and how much down to other factors I don't know. I do know that, in order to make a profit, private companies generally strive to increase revenue (in this case by increasing passenger numbers) whereas anything that is public sector run  tends to be all about cutting costs in order to reduce losses and closing things down. That is the bit that concerns me about this plan.

I'm not convinced that increase in passenger numbers is necessarily down to things that the railway does, other factors I suspect are in play. I'm thinking of the huge increase in house prices in cities, particularly London, which must have led to big increases in commuting. Things like how we spend our leisure time, how affordable or desirable private motoring is will also have a bearing on the issue. The privatised railway companies may simply be responding to increased demand rather than creating it.

32 minutes ago, bmb5dnp1 said:

Hello,

   Yes I agree we're on dangerous off-topic grounds. I see your point about some of the water companies but for every Thames Water there are thousands of successful companies based on the capitalist/shareholder model, we only take notice of the disasters. At the end of the day, companies require investment to exist and grow and that money comes from shareholders who reasonably want a return on their cash.

While this might be OK for many companies where we would have a choice of buying or not buying I don't think it works for public utilities. I'd count rail (and bus for that matter) as public utilities as for many there's no choice but to use them and they are a key piece of national infrastructure. They shouldn't be a vehicle for wealth extraction.

The shareholder thing is also a bit troubling to a leftie like me (yes I know that pension funds are investors) as the principle behind investment is that those with spare cash are able to make more money while those unable to invest pay more than they need to so that there is spare money to hand over to investors. The rich get richer etc. which strikes me as a bit unfair. Without losers there can't be winners so why would we want to benefit at someone else's expense?

I assumed you had Phil, but thought it worth mentioning for others who might just have rocked up on the day with a set of barriers.

Here's a fabulous fifteen minute film full of interest and nostalgia from the bowler hatted passenger on the tube to the clippie on the bus. My favourite moment; the Wallace and Gromit scrub-o-matic seat cleaner at 6:05. Enjoy.

3 hours ago, Phil Parker said:

 

The only question I used to ask was "Do you provide barriers?" - if the answer was no, and I really wanted to go, I'd borrow a couple from the club and take them with me. ....

There is a potential problem with this.  All is OK if the layout is operated from the front as space at the front of the layout will (should be) factored into the planning, however if operating from the rear the effective front of the layout will be a couple of feet forward impinging into the gangway. This may still be OK if it's in one of those spaces where the layout itself can be pushed back or where the gangway widens out but things don't always work out that way. 

I feel it would be worth indicating the intention to do this to the show organiser in the hope that this can be worked into the floorplan.

Ah the crane bit. At the moment it looks like it may be as Airfix intended, but the jib (boom?) has required quite a bit of filler so it will depend on a decent finish. I would love to be able to replicate the Dutch example above but I fear that the spindly construction would defeat me and be terribly fragile. I do hope to get the cabin to sit lower on the legs but I would like to be able to retain the ability to rotate.

A further thought.  As an exhibitor, there may be a few pertinent questions to ask of the organiser before accepting an invite. Do you provide barriers? How busy (how many through the door per day) is the exhibition? What is the character of the exhibition; is it aimed at the general public, is it a specialist event or is it a bit of both?  No guarantee that all risk will be averted but at least you'll have a better idea of what to expect.

Almost eighty pages in; has WCRC become a proxy for a debate between those who take a libertarian standpoint and those who prefer collective responsibility?

34 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Surely crowd control barriers will solve a lot of these problems?

 

They will, but in my experience many small shows don't have them and perhaps don't have the space to have them. Last week I put together the floorplan for Corris Railway show, held in The Plas, Machynlleth, this August (plug) and there isn't the space to have a meaningful show if  barriers were used. If we wanted to I don't know  where would we source them from. Given that the usual attendance is around the 300 mark over two days then I guess that barriers aren't a necessity.

The most impressive piece of damage happened a couple of years ago when a 16mm live steam Darjeeling B class reached escape velocity on one of the corners of its layout and went scampering across the floor. Maybe the public should be better protected from the exhibits.

I'm a little troubled at the direction this thread seems to be taking. While it may be galling to have your layout touched, prodded or leaned on, the responses invoking the possibility of injury or aggression seem to be very much over the top. We can do better than this.

It's been some time since I posted anything of a continental nature here. I have two excuses, busy with my UK layout Northern Town and still to work out if I'm going to alter Vischkaai to better fit the playroom or start again. I still haven't made my mind up but I'm not long back from an excellent holiday in Rotterdam where I saw this lovely crane ....

.... and thought that there was a passing resemblance to the Airfix/Dapol dockside crane. A bit of internet shopping and a few hours work with the kit and some Ratio GWR signal box windows and I've reached this stage.

I have had these early Matchbox diecast vehicles cluttering up my playroom for some time now. They are all missing paint and have no collectable value but they may be suitable, with a bit of tarting up, for the smaller scales (N, TT120 or 3mm). If they're of potential use please send me a pm and I'll post them to you. I want nothing for them or for the postage, I'll be glad to send them on if of use.

As I'll be paying postage I won't be splitting them up, so it's an all or nothing offer I'm afraid.

Good find Steve; it's truly horrible.

I don't often take layouts to exhibitions (building rather than playing with trains is my thing) but when I do I do so in the knowledge that damage might take place. It might be as a result of transport, self inflicted clumsiness or unwanted audience participation. I try to be careful and I appreciate that others generally are too but damage sometimes does happen. I take the line that I go into the whole exhibiting thing knowing the risks and accepting them; after all I built the thing so I know I can repair it. I once had an an obviously autistic boy lean over a whack the controller up to full; his parents were mortified, far more bothered than I was. Nothing was broken, it was just a burst of enthusiasm in an unexpected direction. 

My guess is that whatever lubrication was used in the worm drive housing has set solid. I've had this problem a couple of times with (China built) Hornby steam locos that I've repaired for a friend. In the case of the steamers it was the brass axle bearings setting solid on the axles. Peco power-lube is your friend, apply plenty, work into the seized area as best as possible; once freed up, clean up the excess.

If it's any help  I've had a couple of coreless motored locos through my hands, a Piko German 2-6-0 with the motor in the tender (which I sold on) and a scratchbuilt Belgian Moyse shunter on a Kato mechanism which I still have. Both ran and in the case of the Moyse still run beautifully. I use a cheap Bachmann train set controller which seems perfectly compatible with them.

That does look rather lovely; I particularly liked the shot pacing the train.