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    Building the LNER J77 - Worsdell cab & Fletcher cab

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    Thanks Mick. I guess there's an element of nostalgia, for all of us, in making these models, though I never did see the full complement of steam shunting locos in Hull. Just a year or two too late to see that. You'll forgive me if I say that you are way too young to have seen it; yet, for all that, those days still resonate with you.

     

    So, while the smokeboxes are unencumbered by handrail stanchions, lamp irons, etc., an opportunity to fit the chimneys. For me, fitting both chimneys and domes is a very specific activity and is not just 'sticking them on'. For both chimneys and domes, I always use Araldite (the quick or slow setting variety) as this gives enough time to really seat the casting and allows any slight irregularities on the underside of the casting, to be filled with the glue.

     

    The chimney(s)/dome(s) are then left for twelve hours for the glue to cure and set, after which any glue which has oozed out of the seating is very carefully scraped off. The seating can then be filed and lightly abaded with emery to achieve the feathering. This can take up to an hour but the results are well worth the effort. Nothing mars a model more than badly seated chimney and dome.

     

    Cheers

     

    Mike

    Mike,

     

    The J77's are really coming together now and look lovely. To quote your earlier post those days really do resonate with me for many reasons and I suppose I'm a very nostalgic person, loving the railways of the East Riding in post war England. However as you say I am far too young to remember these days and was but a distant twinkle in my dad's eye, that said I grew up on steam, yes preservation steam but it is still my earliest memory and with a love of preservation then my interest in the 'real' railway grew. With that in mind here's a video I shot (not great quality) of something which you would of seen all too often at one time and I was very lucky to catch this time. I hope it jogs memories and inspires as it inspires me, oh that NER Whistle.......

     

     

    ATB Mick

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    Building the LNER J77 - Worsdell cab & Fletcher cab

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

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    Mick,

     

    According to the August 1950 stock list and shed allocations, 68440 was allocated to Hull Alexandra Dock so, perhaps, returned to Hull. 68409 came to Hull around the time that Middlesborough and Newport sheds closed, both replaced by the then new shed at Thornaby.

     

    Cheers

     

    MIke

    Hi Mike,

     

    I based my assumption on 8440's allocation on this thread here;

     

    http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9867 and here;

     

    http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9888&p=105169#p105169

     

    I did have a chat with Mick Nicholson about the photo of 8440 off the road and he thought it was elsewhere other than Hull because there a J94 present and they were not allocated to Hull until late fifties? I will be interested to see how the removable bunker will work as I may have to adopt this method in future?

     

    ATB Mick

    Building the LNER J77 - Worsdell cab & Fletcher cab

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    Mick,

     

    If you look at a couple of postings back, you'll see that I too found a photo of 68409; though I think this was taken at Middlesborough. This loco came to Hull some time in 1958 and, like so very many ex North Eastern Locos, finished its days there.

     

    And Mick, here's a photo just for you. In a class of 'oddballs', this one was unique, as it had an arc roofed Fletcher style cab with large, square windows, J72 type combined splashers and sandboxes and different profiled mainframes. It also had all three sets of driving wheel springs under the mainframes, unlike any other J77. Just to complete this 'litany of the unusual', the photo shows the loco derailed; I assume this was at Alexandra Dock shed though that large LMS loco immediately behind?

     

    As ever Mick, many thanks for the kind words; they are always much appreciated.

     

    Cheers

     

    Mike

    Hi Mike,

     

    So with your last couple of posts you've identified the two J77's I plan to build. I have the two photos above and can confirm neither are at Hull. 8440 was transferred out towards the back end of 48 to somewhere further north. I have a couple of pictures of this loco in BR livery, sadly one shows it bereft of its tank and dignity in North Road Scrap Yard.

     

    She is as you say, one of only two BTP's built at York and could almost be mistaken for a later Worsdell conversion as per your first build, however as you say the cab is a flat roof Flecher version. I can not find why York chose this pattern and no one else did?

     

    For this reason I chose 8440 to build as it really is unique, the picture of it off the road looks quite odd and can only assume the midland offender struck her with some force!

     

    ATB Mick

    Building the LNER J77 - Worsdell cab & Fletcher cab

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    Hi Mike,

     

    Very nicely done. Getting the Fletcher cab profile correct is crucial and I must say looks spot on here. As always I will enjoy watching your builds as one day I will build 68409 as I have a couple of good pictures of her. My favourite being on dock, shunting fish vans with a Bobby watching proceedings. At some time or other I probably would have been in the area walking the beat, sadly the J77 though was long gone,

     

    ATB Mick

    Building the LNER J77 - Worsdell cab & Fletcher cab

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted · Edited by 7mm Mick

    Hi Mike,

     

    A 7mm Arthur ?? If only, my life would then be complete. The plan is to finish the J73 once and for all in the next few weeks and then move onto other things, time permitting. Before the J77's come to life a pair of A7's will be born but like you I digress.

     

    I'm a big fan of these photos Mike and can just picture your A6 on Paragon Pilot, I never get broad of inspirational photos.

     

    ATB Mick

    Building the LNER J77 - Worsdell cab & Fletcher cab

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    The cab rear sheet has now been assembled and the locker and  cab sandboxes formed up and fitted. In this kit Arthur has included a planked cab floor. The bunker rear has also been soldered up and the flare formed, though neither this nor the cab rear sheet have been fixed into position until the reversing lever assembly and the bunker coal door have been fitted. Everything here went together without a problem, testament to Arthur's accuracy in laying out the design of these etches. The cab interior detail, on these kits, just gets better and better as Arthur continues to develop and refine his range.

     

    In the background is another of Arthur's kits - the J73 - which I built a couple of years ago and which has just had its first coat of weathered black, prior to lettering, numbering and then weathering.

     

    I made quite a few locos in quite a short space of time so didn't get around to painting some of them; the modeller's curse of part finished models. Anyway, I've now resolved to finish two - usually just the pick-ups and the painting, lettering and weathering - for each new one that I start! Best intentions and all that!

     

    The J73 is 68361, of Hull Dairycoates/Alexandra Dock shed. In another posting, on another thread, I bemoaned the number of locos in the 69xxx range, which I have or am building, though somewhat tongue in cheek, for the 69xxx range of numbers contained all sorts of gems of ex North Eastern (and other pre-grouping companies) locos. Both of these are 68xxx, so the local Hessle Haven spotters can underline different sections in their 1950 Combined Volume.

     

    If 7mm Mick is out there; Mick, isn't this the very same loco that you have scratch built in 7 mm?

     

    The parallax, on this photo, makes the J73's chimney look very askew; it is vertical, honest!!

     

    Cheers

     

    Mike

     

    Hi Mike,

     

    I'm always quietly watching from the wings. Your 68361 looks very nice indeed and all the better for being a bit dirty. 68361 was my intended subject, however I managed to source a lot more images of 68363 and ended up with all round views so went for that one instead. To be honest apart from the sanding gear control rods being cranked on 61 and straight on 63 then there's not a great deal of difference. Here's a quick shot of my J73 in low light and looking quite badly tarnished, nearly finished but not quite;

     

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    I have been watching this thread recently and the subject of J77's has come up for me in the past. I intend to model two;

     

    68409, which I have two pictures of, one being on Alex Dock shunting fish vans. A lovely atmospheric picture.

    8440, which I again have two pictures of, one at Alex Dock shed just prior to it's move further north.

     

    68409 is an original Fletcher type cab and 8440 is more like a Worsdell cab but still of Fletcher design. 8440 is only one of two BTP's built at York and later rebuilt to J77, to have this flat roof type Fletcher cab. Making 8440 a really unique J77. Like you I found that none of the later Worsdell rebuilds were ever at Hull but 8440 and 68409 will have to do me. Each build for me will almost be a separate type class in any case as the frame pattern on 8440 is much shallower than others. Looking forward to seeing your build progress and more pictures of Hessle Haven please,

     

    ATB Mick 

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    Worsdell forever's Workbench - Loads of North Eastern Stuff

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    Hi Mick,

     

    The curve may be a bit tighter, but hopefully not by much, it's in nickel-silver, horrible stuff! 

     

    Usually just demo at Thirsk but next year I may have a layout there.

    I will definitely have to put Thirsk next year in the diary then Paul, where's the venue as I'm only in York and would like to get to some more local shows. I don't think the tighter curve will be a problem it will look great when finished. I do like these little tanks, one of my all time favourite pictures is of 8409 on Alex Dock shunting fish vans whilst a City of Hull copper directs traffic, magic !! Looking forward to updates

     

    ATB Mick

    Worsdell forever's Workbench - Loads of North Eastern Stuff

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    Lovely work so far, it may just be me but the can roof profile on the 7mm one seems a much sharper curve than the 4mm? Is it just an optical illusion from the camera ? Also I wondered if you intended making the tanks and cab removable? I'm really enjoying the progress here and wish I had made Thirsk at the weekend to have a chat in person. Do you demonstrate at other shows in that area at all?

     

    ATB Mick

    NORTHEASTERN KITS

    in Smaller Suppliers

    Posted

    MickI don't mind short excursions into my thread as long as there is some relevance. I thought that I was right about your enquiry about a 7MM version of the J73. I did give it some thought but I was very unhappy with the widths of slots and thickness of tabs. I use a lot of those. I considered that if the artwork was simply scaled up most the tabs and slots would be far too sloppy. I like my tab and slots to be on the tight side. I could of course have redrawn all the slots and since I make intensive use of 'styles' I could modify these to take account of the new thicknesses. The other problem was that to fit onto the sheet sizes that I use then all of the bits on the artwork would need to be juggled around to fit.In all I didn't consider that it was economically viable for the numbers likely to be sold.I assume that with all that detail on the boiler front (and with added pipework) that the smoke box door will open to show your handiwork.ArthurK

    You're right Arthur, the smoke box door will be openning as will the cover on the footplate immediately in front of the cylinder covers. It will also have working inside motion and I'm hoping a decent DCC sound set up if I can find a suitable one?

     

    ATB Mick

    NORTHEASTERN KITS

    in Smaller Suppliers

    Posted

    Mick

     

    I did play around with a 7mm J73 when someone suggested it (was that you?). I have no plans to produce any. Biggest problem is the castings. I don't plan to make any 7mm masters.

     

    ArthurK

     

    Hi Arthur,

     

    You're right it was me who mentioned it some time ago. At the minute I'm on with a scratch build of a J73 in 7mm, the body is going well and I'm just waiting to get onto a friends pantograph miller to cut out the frame plates. Once that it done it will be full steam ahead. For this build all the castings are supplied from various outlets and for me it seems O guage has a large amount of trade suppliying castings for this kind of thing. I'm also working on a John Fozzard J72, which is just supplied as ecthings only and I have sourced the castings elsewhere. So really not doing castings for 7mm etches may not be an issue. No pressure of course just a mere observation. No intention to hijack your thread here but i've attached some images of my J73 progress to show some of the castings off that are avaliable.

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    Best reagrds Mick

    Worsdell forever's Workbench - Loads of North Eastern Stuff

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    After nearly a week of not having any time to do any modelling I set to on Sunday evening and got the chassis running smoothly and pick-ups fitted, the only problem was the remains of the motor shaft was touching the boiler top, this was remedied by carving out a small amount of metal from the boiler casting with a small chisel (made from an old small screwdriver) all runs fine now, just hope it still passes it's boiler test :scratchhead:

     

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    I've also started another J77, this one is in Nickel Silver and is quite a bit bigger, it's a 7mm kit from N.E.R Days in Leeds, I built their NER 964 class saddletank a few years ago and the kits are a bit crude and not for beginners but are excellent value if you want to have a go at 7mm. The motor, gears and wheels cost more than the kit!

     

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    And the two chassis together.

     

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    As always I'm quietly watching from the sidelines and enjoying the J77 build. I would be really interested to see what you think of the 7mm J77 as I model in this scale and up until now didn't know of a J77 kit ?

     

    ATB Mick

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