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15 hours ago, Iain Mac said:
It's in CAD if you want an overlay map historical v's modern aerial.
I've been meaning to get an answer in to the signal box thread too, but time and availability keep slipping.
Brick to roof boxes are Type 4 by the way, there's an article in that too which I'll get you details and diagrams of for an article if you wish?
Battering getting the route in CAD as much as time allows, all will be made available to your good self.
Hope you're all keeping well and as saine as pandemics allow.
Would love one please, Mac. I was looking at the NLS maps but couldn't find a 25" to the mile one with the sidings at Lochpark. I ended up with a lower scale version that was pretty rubbish, and showed virtually no detail.
Anything you have for articles always very welcome - cheers!
All well thanks, hope you and yours are as well. My email addresses are all working, so whichever you send to should see them arrive here ok.
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On 27/12/2013 at 12:01, 'CHARD said:
Returning to the calendar, Lochpark PW was already deconsecrated in '68 for conversion to light industrial units. That's answered a few longstanding niggles I had.
I'm currently compiling an article about Lochpark and the concrete casting facility for a future issue of The Waverley - this post popped up on one of my 'net trawls!
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Let's get the ball rolling again. Several new pics have appeared on Ernie's Flickr account recently, here's just a few of them. Nice to see the Border Counties stub at Riccarton being used for shunting.
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12 minutes ago, caradis said:
old style whitrope box?
The original Whitrope 'box (photo from my collection), note the nameboard without "siding". On the right, Bogside. There's a distinct similarity in the number of windows and style of surrounds.
Bogside photo from https://twitter.com/coal_legacies
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3 minutes ago, caradis said:
Ill have a look via teh NBRSG then, thanks
was there a significant diffrence between those on the waverley and the rest of the NBR system? i know the west highland boxes were diffrent, but didnt think there was much diffrence over the WR?
Honestly not too sure, it's not something I've really studied in great detail although the old style Whitrope Siding 'box has a resemblance to that extant at Bogside.
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I've never seen one from the Waverley Route or its branches, but Colin's suggestion could be worth following up with NBRSG.
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Well I'm finally getting around to writing this article, only three years after first posting about it. If anyone has anything they don't mind me using in it please feel free to post up or drop me a line.
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The BG on that last train was E80834, if you were after a number at all?
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On behalf of Bruce McCartney I recently uploaded this footage onto my Youtube channel.
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14 hours ago, Richard Hall said:
Copyright shenanigans apart, that strikes me as an awfully short distance between Distant and Home. I realise Up trains wouldn't be travelling fast at that point, but presumably there was a banner repeater just before the North portal?
I'm not sure, but I don't think there was. I've attached a very basic diagram I made about twenty years ago showing distances of all signals from Whitrope Siding 'box - hopefully it's readable.
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This was the Flickr site in question - pretty obviously a photograph of a photograph. There's only a small matter of copyright issues about that kind of thing.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/peteredin/9328710039/in/photolist-dkLwwa-21c5yEW-dJd666-fdm5ug
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By the way, the Up Main Distant that you can see part way down the train is 365 yards north of Whitrope Siding signal box.
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35 minutes ago, Richard Hall said:
Oh, do you want me to take it down? I hadn't realised there was an issue.
Richard
Your Flickr site?
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On 29/04/2020 at 07:43, Richard Hall said:
Found this Gerald Robinson photo while researching V2 identities. I haven't seen it (or the location) before: unusual side of the line to take pictures. (Edited to add: I initially thought this must have been north of the tunnel due to the distant signal: it must be further than I thought from the South portal to Whitrope box.)
Looks like one of the Gerald Robinson photos he allowed WRHA to use, then someone went and photographed them on display at Whitrope and uploaded them to Flickr ... needless to say we weren't impressed!
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17 hours ago, Bill Jamieson said:
Just spotted this - I have a copy of Kenneth Gray's observations from July 1967 to March 1968 (courtesy of Bruce) and can confirm that locos from the D7602-08 batch appeared regularly on Millerhill to Carlisle New Yard freights either singly or in pairs - too numerous to list.
I've seen ciné footage of a pair of 25/3s heading a Kingmoor to Millerhill through Newcastleton, no dates or loco IDs. Guessing it was filmed sometime in '67.
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Stobs will be on TV next week. Details via the Project Hawick Facebook page.
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15 minutes ago, 37175 said:
The Colour Rail reference from my own copy of this says it was D347 in June 1968. Bruce might have more detail though.
I've dug out the TIF supplied to me by Bruce and it looks like it's got a square headcode box at No.1 end, and the numbers actually look like D367.
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16 hours ago, Richard Hall said:
Here's one that's annoying me at the moment. It turned up in one of my periodic Google searches, titled "Calstock viaduct, Cornwall". I'm halfway through building a model of Barns Viaduct so I'm not fooled by the Cornish red herring, but I can't find any more than this tiny image of type 4 superpower bound for Carlisle. Just to make it more interesting the image title includes "D231", and if that is a reference to the loco it's a long way from its home depot of Rugby (1F). Obviously 1966 or later from the blue/grey BG and midwinter from the lack of foliage, but only three passenger coaches (and possibly two of them brake ends) which seems a bit short to me.
The Colour Rail reference from my own copy of this says it was D347 in June 1968. Bruce might have more detail though.
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On 04/01/2020 at 19:04, Irishswissernie said:
I think this one is Borthwick Bank Box with a Brittania on a down goods. Date looks like Sept 65. Can anyone confirm and does the image ring any bells as to the photographer.
It's definitely Borthwick Bank, down - sadly though, I'm non the wiser as to the date and/or photographer, Ernie. Lovely image though!
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On 22/06/2019 at 18:15, 62440 said:
D8094
Just realised, this was a loco (as 20094) that I enquired about purchasing from the scrap dealers to save from breaking - never really looked at it from a historical viewpoint until now!
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Not sure if these have appeared here before - there are quite a few decent shots from the Waverley Route, looking through the RCTS photo archive. Just a few tasters, there are plenty more on there to look through!
https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/locomotives/17/hA0FE47B0#ha0fe47b0
https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/locomotives/40/hA8726C9F#ha8726c9f
https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/locomotives/40/hA8726C9F#ha8726e89
https://rcts.zenfolio.com/steam-lner/sentinel/hA105423E#ha105423e
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3 hours ago, 'CHARD said:
If only Kestrel had carried out this run!
In the meantime, here's the link to the photos of D97 that carried out the run in its place, both of which have appeared here before.
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6 hours ago, Bill Jamieson said:
I think this verifies my theory about the locos being on their delivery runs from EE.
Bill
On 09/02/2019 at 13:04, 62440 said:D8323 passed LE through Hawick 23/10/67 towards Edinburgh.
D8317+D8324+D8318 passed through Hawick 15/11/67 towards Edinburgh at 3.48am.
Extract from late KA Gray's notes.
Bruce
Funny you should say that, Bill - here are the respective "into service" dates for these locos, being amongst the last dozen or so of this type built:
D8317 25/11/67D8318 25/11/67
D8323 20/10/67
D8324 07/02/68
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That's a fine obituary, and we are so lucky to have such an amazing quantity of photographs from Mr Gray.
Returning, if I may, to the 'mystery' photograph in #2212, it appears in the sequence between Carlisle and Hawick, and is heading north. Given the departure time 1944 ex Carlisle, we are probably looking at around 2030 to travel the 30 miles or so needed for this kind of scenery. The fading light would have been falling on the wayside cabin ahead from almost due West at this time of year, so it seems the train is moving round a curve from a NNW direction to a NNE direction, and it looks like the line is climbing. In the middle distance past the cabin, the line is flanked on both side by trees, and further ahead the hills rise, with no obvious way through without a tunnel.
So based on these I would say we are just north of Steele Road, looking towards this copse of trees, here.
I think Bill and Richard hit the nail on the head, with the train heading towards Langburnshiels on the approach to Shankend.
Here's a comparison shot, with a crop of the photo posted above and one from my collection, albeit a slightly different perspective hence the cottage being out of shot in the one with the loco.
Project Hawick and the Waverley Route
in The Waverley Route
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Funnily enough, I intended to drop Murray a line to see what memories he has of the place, pre & post their premises, and also in case he has any photos of how it was before they moved there. Bruce has furnished me with a photo of the clock they have - which I've always been in awe of whenever I've visited them.
Roy liked his imperial poster sizes - I seem to recall him mentioning quad and double crown sizes on several occasions!