gmax

The problem is, though, that the front end details of D6334 etc. are very different from Dapol's current model - just compare the photos in this thread. If it were simply a matter of a repaint, Dapol would not have cancelled the all-green version at the last minute.

 

I emailed Dapol earlier this week to enquire if / when an overall green version might be available; the reply was :-

 

"Certainly not yet a while. The shell for the model is not suitable for an overall green version which is why the specs had to be changed at a late stage. We can only produce an overall green version if we modify the tooling and no decision has been taken on that".

 

We can only hope that Dapol are eventually prepared to modify the tooling. Perhaps DapolDave will invite us to indicate the level of support for versions that could be produced in overall green? (Hint hint)!

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

Photo of D6334 gnye at http://www.rail-dvd.co.uk/page_2565608.html

Technically it is not us, or the poster, breaching copyright as it's not 'published' within this site. As BD says it's a matter for the copyright holder and youtube.

Have it your way. Only trying to help protect this website. Shan't bother again though.

gmax

 

Indeed, but this clip is not ripped off. The link is to the original youtube clip, and the owner has not disabled embedding on that clip.

Don't think it was the owner who put it on youtube though.

gmax

 

Hmm

 

Have my cynical hat on here am afraid! Class 22 sounds on this sound mighty like an MD870 to me. Look at many of the steam clips on here - are the beats synchronised with the wheels? Not at all sure....if not then surely is dubbed sound?

 

A lot of cine footage had dubbed sounds added subsequently - does anyone have the dvd, does the accompanying info make it explicit? That is not to denigrate the footage - it is superb - the sound is just a function of the technology in place when it was originally taken and we are damned lucky to have access to the video with or without original sounds.

 

Cant wait to hear the MAN diesel when it gets put in to D832 - that will give us the answer I guess. However my missus says she doesnt know how I can get involved in these debates as I cant hear anything any way! Hee hee pass the herring aid - OK fish jokes has better be a seperate thread!

 

Kind regards

 

Phil

Take it from me Phil - it IS dubbed sound.

Gmax

I've posted this clip before somewhere, but I can't remember which thread it was. There are some class 22's in this clip, and I would say the sound is original:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOMB37MNkWo&feature=related

I don't want to appear a killjoy but I do know that this is copyrighted material mate.

Just thought it best to mention this.

Gmax

Hi,

Well before the model gets tainted by ,shall I say, 'unsubstantiated' comments about dud locomotives, I think yours is only one of 2 I know about.

Just working the math on this and that's 2 out of 500, so less than half of 1% which in anyone's books ( he says touching wood and crossing fingers) isn't bad.

However this doesn't mean that you cannot be dissapointed ( I was recently having spent £300+ on 2 fleischmann loco's only to have both as duffers!)

If Chris has a spare then great, however if not, I will replace the chassis for you once the next batch of green arrive in a couple of weeks.

Please PM me and let me know if Chris can help, and if not a replacement chassis is your for the asking.

Cheers

Dave

As a relative newbie to model railways after a gap of 20 years I can say I'm more than pleased with the craftmanship of the Class 22 and it has persuaded me that I will invest in more from this manufacturer.

As for 'duds' - perhaps I could add that I have had 4 duds from one manufacturer in the past 2 months - a Hall, Jubilee, Peak & Class 47. Three of the four have been or will be returned. The Hall I can maybe live with.

Possibly just an unlucky streak, but if the Westerns, D600s & D6100s are as good as the 22s then that's where I will be putting my hard earned cash in future!

And a big thumbs up to Dave for customer service as well.

Regards

Steve

That's me going round umpteen years without thinking straight. As it now is, and has been for some time, you are correct with 'X;

'being the awkward stuff and 'Z' being 'ordinary' specials, and that has applied for some long time of course. But something else seemed to happen in between which I think was probably more of a mixture. The problem now is tracing the dates of the changes, which are probably longer back than I think (they usually are!!).

I travelled on a 1X05 school special in 1965 so it was still in operation then.

Regards

Steve

Phil,

 

It was still in Gloucester in Sept 70.

 

Over time I have collected a few head codes for my own class 22's which were around Gloucester between 1968-70, which your welcome too:

 

6Z37, 6Z39

8A70

8B10, 8B27, 8B30, 8B47, 8B51, 8B52

8H73

8Z00, 8Z01

8.50, 8.51

9B45, 9B51, 9B52

9Z30, 9Z37, 9Z44 (one of interest for you - D6320 heading North through the Spa)

9.51

9 51

.Z30, .Z61

 

Certainly for the period were looking at, their was a bit of a pattern and workings in the Bristol area seemed to be similar, but with a few more *H** and *C** codes thrown in.

 

Trevor.

2C90 & 2C91 were the codes for Newton Abbot to Kingswear trains which were regular duties in the 1960s

See photo of D6334 in book 1 spotting notes at:

http://www.rail-dvd....ge_2565608.html

As for fitting alternatives - I've inserted Heljan class 52 headcodes into my model of D6331 (2C75 & 7B08) and they fit perfectly.

Just tuck them into the corners with a sharp edged tool and they fit beautiifully.

Hope that helps.

Steve

I'm pleased to say that I have finally got hold of one of these lovely models.

May layout is DCC only, yet I note that the instruction leaflet says run-in for half an hour or more on DC.

For me that would require quite a lot of effort to isolate a circuit of track and I've not done i with other new engines.

I'm planning to fit a Bachmann 21 pin decoder and wonder - is there REALLY any foreseeable difficulty in running-in the loco in using DCC.

I HAVE confirmed the loco does move OK on DC by utilising an old controller and a straight of track.

Regards

Steve

 

I too 'accidentally' bought a D6331 at Warley and will be looking to renumber to the earliest appropriate class member that carried this livery in this condition - so thanks for this.

 

I'm not used to renumbering green diesels - any views on whose transfers are most suitable/correct? I normally use HMRS for my steam stock.

On the renumbering subject, can anyone suggest the best way to remove the numbers from one of these lovely machines in order to leave an unblemished surface for renumbering?

Thanks in advance.

Steve

Hi Steve - D6331 was GSYP with headcode boxes from c1965 and gained it's full yellow end treatment in April 1970, being withdrawn in this condition in March 1971

 

I picked mine up from the Dapol stand first thing this morning (cheers Dave.... here's a tip, turn your phone off for a stress free life!), and have to say I'm well chuffed with it. The quality of the tooling is superb, nothing is overdone, especially the glazing, which on a loco with such a distinctive 'face' and so much character could easily have turned out as an expensive mistake. With the model sat here in front of me as I type, the relative height of the bogie side frames and valance* edging looks about right to me, I can sort of see why it's been mentioned previously but it does 'sit' very nicely on my one and only bit of track. Also, straight out of the box, the gap previously noted between the main body moulding and the buffer beam shrouds attached to the chassis block in some photos is neglegable.

 

* Talking of those valances.... something to be wary of when fitting part no. L3 above the fuel tank is knocking off the two finely moulded pipe runs at the right hand end, I nearly lost mine to the carpet fairy!

 

A couple of nice touches worthy of note are the etched NBL builders plates (four of 'em on this green machine) which other manufacturers might not have bothered with, and the characteristic footsteps hanging down from the cab corners which again, might easily have been left off the model entirely. As for those spoked wheels, well... superb. The only (tiny) niggles for me are the buffer heads which could do with flatting down, the headcode samples which look a shade on the small side and the widscreen wipers, which would benifit from toning down with a bit of weathering, and er, well...... that's about it really! I might try some Heljan Hymek headcodes on mine and see how they look.

 

Dave mentioned to me the 'slides' built into the tooling for the roof, sides and ends which will enable other variants to be done, a very shrewd move this which I'm sure will reep dividends for Dapol and bring several smiles to those wanting the much earlier disc headcode type and (my crafty little grey cells are telling me), later 'tidied up front end' versions.

 

All in all, this is a cracking little machine which deserves to do the business for Dapol, and bodes well for the Kernow D6xxs and of course the mighty Westerns yet to come. I'll be having more of these little beasties in green and blue.... looking at my D6331 here in front of me I want to set the controls of the Rugd1022 Patented Time Machine Device for 1967 and find a warm spot on the end of Plymouth North Road's platform 8.....

 

Apologies for the pants quality, but I couldn't resist a pic or two before the light disappeared down behind the cow shed....

 

 

Thanks for the gen re-livery of D6331 Rug.

I saw it enough times as a teenage basher but the old memory cells have withered a bit with age.

I have several on order as this is a BIG gap on my Bath Road depot at the moment.

I agree with what you say about the headcode numerals looking a tad small. That will have to be dealt with as the look of the hadcode panel is a major feature in my view. It just HAS to look right.

As a side point I have just taken delivery of D27 from Bachmann and it the headcode panel looks superb, especially with it's lights on.

Regards

Steve in Paignton

Just ordered D6331 this morning- not going to Warley this year.

 

Interesting choice of GSYP as it wasn't in this livery that long, as it was one of the only two GFYE class 22s.

 

Will be getting the yellow paint out on her when it arrives.

 

Neil

Neil, do you know exactly when D6331 full went yellow ends?

AFAIK it was gsye in Sep 68 and gfye by April 1970.

Regards

Steve

I had a similar problem recently with my Dynamis.

I came back from a fortnights holiday abroad to find that my Dynamis Controller wouldn't operate any locos at all, despite it having worked perfectly for 18 months or more.

I have more than one handset (there are more than 40 locos on the layout & I don't want to spend time re-entering data), and none of the handsets would operate a loco.

The symptom I had was that the light on the infra red receiver flickered green rapidly when switched on, and didn't settle down to a static green display as normal.

On a hunch, I borrowed another Dynamis set from a mate who lives 2 miles away. I wired this one into my layout and guess what........it didn't work either, but showed exactly the same symptons. I then took MY OWN Dynamis to his house........and it worked!!!

Thus I knew at this point that the fault was the location where it was being used, not the equipment itself.

The next step I took (a bit desperate I know!) was to phone Western Power who supply our electricity. They turned up very promptly, and the guy, like me, assumed that there was maybe a voltage drop to our property, or even a dirty supply. Much to my disappointment his readings were normal, so I was almost back to square one.

Next, I decided to unplug appliances from their sockets - fridge, TV, lights, clocks, switched off central heating etc etc - to no avail.

However the following day, continuing on this theme, I found the culprit.

I had kept the Dynamis switched on as each appliance was disconnected and as soon as I switched off the PC, the green receiver light on the Dynamis steadied.

I tested it and found it worked perfectly.

I should point out that the PC doesen't operate from the same room as the model railway.

Further investigation though, showed that it was NOT the computer that was affecting the infra-red, but the Belkin WIRELESS ROUTER we were using.

This has now been permanently disconnected and the Dynamis is back to working fine.

The only unsolved part of the puzzle is - why did the Dynamis work fine for 18 months, then suddenly become susceptible to the router.

Anyway, I hope this helps.

Best Regards

Steve