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and this. i have one of these ill have to dig it out.im rich!!!!

 

 

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...=item3cae2880c2

Me thinks someone put a decimal point in the wrong place.

I thought the image at the top of page three was a myth, however 45599, Mr Fowler's stretched Jubilee, was seen at Barrow Hill

I was about to ask what the Saddle Tank was as well. I was guessing a Hornby Cally ST with considerable bashing. Good work anyway, it looks very convincing given it's origins

Thanks Chaps, shall look about for it, then that way i can do my own photoshops, and have some decent photo editing software

 

Thanks again,

Bruce.

Unless you really are desperate to part with the best part of £200, then you might as well give GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) a go instead. Same idea, but free. Can be downloaded from www.gimp.org.

It is a very nice little book if you can get a copy. Here's a couple for sale. I have one somewhere but no I don't wish to part with it. According to the BRMNA index of drawings there was a drawing of Ballater station (I can't remember what style that is) in July 1993 Railway Modeller and station plans (possibly track plans rather than building drawings?) of "11 GNSR Stations" in July 1993 Railway Modeller.

A picture says a thousand words:

(Original image, fell free to reuse as you wish - more here, although most are badly framed and rather indiscriminate)

The GNSRA book on the Deeside line includes a good few good photos of the stations on this line. Ballater, the Cambus-o-May Halt and the GNSR-built Braemar Bus Station are similar in style to Knockando, although I'm not sure how useful Ballater is as prototype.

Thanks for the help very useful. Had a look on the GNSRA website for the book but couldn't find it, anyone know if it's still in print?Cheers

Googling the book's title lets you access a GNSRA sales list from 2008, in which the book is listed as a "Bargain".I suspect, if they were attempting to sell off stock, then they weren't terribly good sellers and a reprint isn't planned.

I would suggest, however, that it might be worth contacting them in the off chance that a few spare copies are still around. Failing that, maybe putting up a classified advert on here?

Strathspey might be worth approaching because they have an 812 which has just come out of overhaul. But the Glasgow Museum of Transport has just closed until 2011 when it moves to a new site nearer the Clyde. Problem there is that they don't have a 439, J36 or the 812 in the national collection but only Caley 123, Glen, Gordon Highlander, Jones Goods and a G&SWR tank . They really also don't have a mail order retail operation (unlike NRM)

 

Development of such a model isn't going to be over-night. I think, realistically, if anyone commissions one of these models we're looking at late 2011 as the earliest possible delivery date with 2012 much more likely.

I'd also be happy to settle for a Jones Goods, a D40 or even a modern standard version of 123 While I'm happy with the consensus reached above, a start is a start.

The problem is the difference in risk and costs between a limited edition re-livery of an existing model (for example 500 pieces of a re livery of a Bachy 108 into a 107)against a brand new model.

 

Although there are fewhard figures available, I think it would be safe to assume that tooling costs for a brand new scottish steam loco (not able to use existing tooling) would be in the region of £100,000. Bachmann, or whoever, will not want to ver that cost themelves. The maths is pretty brutal - thats needing 1000 units at £100 a unit just to cover tooling - you're probably looking at needing 2000 just to break even, and even the Strathspey Railway or Boness arnt going to get involved unless they can make money, so you need to be shifting 3,000 units or more.

 

A bigger commercial operation might be able to take a longer view, but if I was on the board at the Strathspey, I wouldnt want to get involved in this beyond saying "We'll take 100 units at wholesale price to sell in our shop". And even then that would be pushing it.

Sorry to be blunt, but we've had thread after thread where we sit around and take guesses at tooling costs for these things (often because someone quite fancies trying to bankroll their pet locomotive). If we just sit around and suppose that it'll be too expensive for anyone, then we'll still be waiting for the eye of Hornby and Bachman to turn on Scotland ten years from now. We've had a lot of positive support in the efforts to get a modern, high quality Scottish steam locomotive, including from manufacturers and magazines (as seen above) so it's very much of a case of Carpe Diem now.

While there is no harm in approaching retailers with the idea, I recall it being said that Harburn were extremely cool towards the idea in 2006 or 2007 when it was discussed on the previous forum. No reason why someone who knows chaps there doesn't sound them out on it though, as we are looking at a very different market now.

I do think that the previous idea of approaching Strathspey Railway or Glasgow Museums (as owners of surviving examples) is an idea with legs and should certainly be pursued.

I've heard that private cars are also under consideration for being required to have lights on during daylight hours, which does actually use extra fuel.

That sounds a lot like heresay or media rumours concocted to fill column inches. Neither the EU nor the DVLA would ever be that daft. Not least since it directly counters their existing drives to cut fuel use and emissions.

Not that it stops some numpties anyway.

Incredibly, there's a recent (European?) law that requires British buses to have their lights on, even during daylight hours.

No-one seems to have told Lothian Buses or First Edinburgh/First Glasgow.

There are a lot of plausible could-have-been locomotives.

I remember seeing mention of a BR Standard shunter, which was planned but which was dropped due to the large number of 0-6-0s and the success of diesel shunters.

Brian Heresnape's book on Gresley locomotives also has drawings of three proposed LNER tank engines which are quite interesting.

You never know...give it a few weeks and you might change your mind about that

You never know

The Macintosh and the Cally Jumbo heading up the LMS category in MREMag poll with the J36 ending up 16th overall. Another half dozen LNER 0-6-0s also polled highly as well.

Also worth noting that the P2 - a very Scottish class - also polled highly. I'm not sure how likely that class is to be picked up though, since there were a good few major variations between the members of the class. (Not that that stops me form voting for it).

Not too bad at all.

I've been enjoying watching the progress on this layout. It's absolutely perfect, and reminds me of home. Spent a good few journeys eagerly awaiting what might be sitting in the yard at Aberdeen as my train came in.

I don't particularly want to see more engines go to the cutter's torch, but equally there are only so many steam trains and preserved diesels the country can support on-track.

I'd suggest looking at things like donating engines to museums abroad or museums here which could house non-working engines in clean, protective environments, if not on display.

I do think that we could do with another transport museum dedicated to trains, complimenting the existing facilities in York, Shilingdon, Barrow and Swindon. Maybe in Scotland given the national collection and the Glasgow City collections both have a vast amount of railway items which won't fit in the new, ship-focused Glasgow Transport Museum (Not to sound like a one-trick Scottish pony or anything... ). Of course, while it's an idea which might have legs in the long run (the Government being big on funding these things), it's shackled by the recession just now. Can't help feeling that it might be something to genuinely take to Holyrood via the e-petitions system though. /tangent

 

If you are not going to kit build the 0-4-4 tank you are probably not going to kitbuild the non-corridor stock that goes with it?

- or the buildings which it operated past.

 

I can afford to muck up quite a lot of plastikard and wills sheets in order to do suitable buildings. I can't afford to muck up a single £200 kit in order to provide suitable locos.

Stathspey (as far as I know) are in the final push for funding for the extension line, so this might be something they'd be willing to try to raise funds for it. Equally, they might consider it too risky just now.

Worth a try anyway.

Thank you very much. I shall investigate those. I'm hoping to find suitable examples for some fitted and unfitted wagon, because the quality of the Parkside buffers does let them down a wee bit.

Those vans turned out nicely. Do you mind if I ask who you bough the buffers from? I'm looking for some to improve the look of some Parkside LNER kits.

I am left wondering how best to promote modelling Scotland.

After all, my own layout in progress is of such a size that it could be anywhere in the world, let alone in the UK. Admittedly it's specifically on the GNSR, but I'm running whatever I can get my hands on that might have worked out of Kitty.

Edit: That said, converting one of the new Derby Lightwights to the BEMU is certainly something from that area that's pretty unique.

 

 

I find it hard to believe, and even harder to find figures to back up, the '5,200,000 modellers of Scottish prototypes' quoted.

 

'Chard was making a joke. Scotland's population was 5.2 Million at the 2001 census. The implied joke is obvious: every Scot wants to model what they know

I'd be pleasantly surprised if there are 5.2 million modellers in the English speaking world.

Cheers for posting that response Andy. It's good to know that Bachmann (and presumably Hornby) are reading this

I hope that Bachmann and Hornby can understand why people can get so disheartened by some responses. After all, every year we see new and better GWR and Southern models from increasingly obscure prototypes with excellent support in the form of, for example, model shop commissions and collector's pieces. The attitude can also arise because this isn't a new campaign, just the latest thrust from an extended effort which has been going on for a good few years - I know I voted for at least three of the above engines in the MREMag Poll since 2007 thanks to this sort of coordination and I suspect that many others have as well.

There have been some really positive moves forwards, such as the Clan Class and the various high-quality LMS built engines which have come out in the last few years, but at the end of the day we can't run branch lines services or shunt with express engines, no matter how good they are

All that said, don't let the company feedback get you down chaps. We can push on, with growing numbers, raising interest in an under-modelled area.

The quality of the shop almost goes without saying. It's certainly one of the nicest model shops I've been in, with friendly staff. I didn't even get a frown for being loaded down with two bulky bags and spending a good 20 minutes going through the kits.

Excellent selection of their own scenic bits and pieces as well, although I'm sure they have a smaller selection on display in the shop then they take to exhibitions.

Of note however is that they are currently doing the Hornby SPT 101 for £50. At that price I'm sorely tempted to pick one up and damn the consequences (can always repaint it BR Green ).

Great work Caledonian. Thank you very much for putting in the effort on this.

Next step is up to all of us of course: dropping hints to the the Bachmann and Hornby reps at MRS

Are you still planning to write to the modelling magazines on the issue?

It looks good from above (and from the other angles). Keep up the good work. It's definitely a nice adaption of Queen Street.