Big_Bad_John

On 18/07/2023 at 21:29, New Haven Neil said:

The plain blue one is right, which can also have small yellow panels - the Triang one with white cabs is wrong, and the one with white stripes is also wrong.

Did D5578 ever have a white, grey or cream roof?

On 21/02/2023 at 18:40, Miss Prism said:

Not showing for me either at the moment.

All I get is this when I try to go to BR Database, is there any way past - like another web address?, is the site ever coming back and who is Philip K. Dick?

43 minutes ago, New Haven Neil said:

The plain blue one is right, which can also have small yellow panels - the Triang one with white cabs is wrong, and the one with white stripes is also wrong.

Cheers, did the blue one have a white/light grey roof?

On 16/07/2023 at 01:41, SRman said:

According to one of Brian Haresnape's books, the blue colour was supposed to be "peacock blue". However, the actual shade seems to have got lost in translation. 

I have this model bought second-hand, which appears to be a professional respray using electric blue on the super-detail Hornby model. Personally, I think it looks too light for the actual blue used on the prototype, but I like the effect anyway. I also have two Triang blue products, the first one from 1962 and the later R357B from 1965, which both work fine but I keep them as display models only. Again personally, I think the white lining really set the blue off nicely on the Triang model, it was a pity BR didn't apply it to thee real D5578.

So which version of D5578 is correct then, the Triang one, the plain Lima one or the one with white cabs which I don't know who manufactures?   I've just painted a yellow warning panel onto each end of my Lima golden ochre one, is that correct?

On 16/07/2023 at 12:43, BernardTPM said:

My old TPM Class 30 kit in Precision Paints Electric Blue:

 

 

I used to have one of the old Tri-ang blue with white stripes version.

This looks exactly like the 'Electric Blue' Lima model, no white lines, grey or white roof or yellow end panels.  Sure it's correct?

Oh, btw, I haven't seen that style of coupling since I was about 10 in 1968.

On 16/07/2023 at 01:41, SRman said:

According to one of Brian Haresnape's books, the blue colour was supposed to be "peacock blue". However, the actual shade seems to have got lost in translation. 

I have this model bought second-hand, which appears to be a professional respray using electric blue on the super-detail Hornby model. Personally, I think it looks too light for the actual blue used on the prototype, but I like the effect anyway. I also have two Triang blue products, the first one from 1962 and the later R357B from 1965, which both work fine but I keep them as display models only. Again personally, I think the white lining really set the blue off nicely on the Triang model, it was a pity BR didn't apply it to thee real D5578.

Yes, the lower of the two is the one Hornby or Triang do and is probably closer to the real one, haven't seen the one with white cabs and it's probably incorrect.  Triang Big-Big do a Hymek similar to the top one albeit a Class 35 of course. 

The Lima golden ochre one looks closer to the real thing than the all blue one they do, it doesn't have the yellow warning panels though I guess some did, D5579 wasn't the only Class 31 painted golden ochre it would seem, see second picture.

Should it be a darker blue like the Triang one I posted first then with the white lines and grey or cream roof?, in my experience the motors in Triang R357 Class 31s are a bit iffy, I've just had to replace the motor bogie in mine (D5572 blue), the main advantage is there are no wires to the trailing bogie, you just fit it and go.  The 'Electric', 'Chromatic', 'French' or 'Nanking' blue Triang Class 31 is no. R357B, if I bought that one it would give me three Triang ones and I'd get rid of the Lima one that is obviously incorrect leaving three by that make.  Question now, how did Ities expect to know exactly what a British loco looks like?!

Oh, by the way, it was also called 'Experimental Blue'.

Well I stand corrected on the Golden Ochre one by Lima albeit with a grey roof but I was correct about the electric blue one, are they correct replicas of the real machines though?  Neither loco has the yellow panels on the ends.

On 07/09/2020 at 09:21, MRE2 said:

Class 31 C5578 was one of 2 locos painted into prototype colours, following a proposal by Brian Haresnape. We know that D5579 ran in ochre with white lining, but did D5578 ever run according to Brian's proposal with white lining, shown below (with graphic artists numbers) with the model produced by Triang ? Plenty of pictures show D5578 in plain blue (with and without small yellow panels) but none that follow the proposal drawings. Or maybe Triang pulled a stunt and I have just been unlucky in my research ?
I have seen the colour described variously as Electric Blue, Chromatic Blue, French Blue, Nanking Blue, and XP64 Blue, and period pictures are variable from quite dark to very light. Any ideas which is the correct shade ?

I've got both D5578 and D5579 by Lima and they are in plain 'electric' blue and golden ochre respectively with no white lining, roof or white cab window surrounds, this can't be correct surely.  When I've clicked on attachments they come up microscopically small, this can't be correct either, anyone got any actual visible photos? ha ha

I've seen the D5578 by Triang with the white lining and cream roof, did they bring out a golden ochre one in the same design?, I don't remember that and have never seen a model of it.   

Here's a blue one

On 01/05/2020 at 11:36, micklner said:

My Langley NER Autocar build just finished. Being pulled by a incorrect locomotive a Geo Norton now London Road Auto fitted G5 .

 

I have a Nucast G6 to build at the moment , the kit only builds the 5 foot driving wheels version built at Gateshead, Darlington and by Hawthorn & Co.

A usual information/photos are hard to come by. I have the Yeadon volume which has a few pictures and not much else in the way of information. Any further information would be welcome. A good start would be the numbers of the G6 running with 5ft Drivers in the LNER period and where push pull fitted.

 

Thanks .

 

It would seem the eastern and southern regions of BR are very poorly catered for by most manufacturers of RTR models, concentrating on God's Waiting Room and 'Ell of a Mess lines, I've got some maroon Gresley composites, brakes and buffets and of course loads of Mk1's.  I don't know if Greslay coaches ran in 1965-7 when diesel ran alongside steam thus my choice of era.  I'm more a diesel man but I know if I was to build a public/exhibition layout I would need to cater for all tastes so I've got some J class tanks, an N2, a B12, a BR Standard 4 4-6-0 and "Evening Star", I know the last wouldn't have run on eastern tracks but could be a visitor though may swap it for a 'Britannia' Standard Class 7MT, not sure if Standard Class 4s ran in east anglia.  I know B17s would have and I'm considering buying one named 'Liverpool' (my team).

John in Bury St Edmunds

On 15/05/2012 at 22:04, Ian Kirk said:

Hi,

 

There was no resemblance at all to the GWR ones.

The first LNER push pull driving trailers were converted from pre- grouping coaches. There were some clerestory roofed ones on the ex NER area. In the 1930s these started to be replaced with converted Gresley 51ft Non corridor stock.Used in GER area, NER area and in Scotland The first conversions only involved cutting larger windows in the brake end and fitting the driving equipment. Otherwise the coach looked the same. The new Hornby 51ft brake 3rd would be a good starting point. Later conversions in the late 1940s had even larger windows in the end and droplight windows cut into the driving end panel of the coach sides.Livery was the same as the other coaching stock of the period.

Steam Railcars were used over much of the LNER in the 1930/40s but were extinct by Nationalisation.These were cream/green. (same green as LNER locos) The only model I know of is the Nu Cast white metal kit of the Sentinel. I did pattern making for this kit in IIRC the late 1970s. I dont know if it is still available as the last owner of the Nu Cast range is retiring.

 

best wishes,

 

Ian

I suppose by 1948 Nationalisation the first diesel multiple units had been introduced, right?, or did steam locos have to run around the train or be replaced at termini?  I'm modelling eastern region in 1965-7 so diesel units were well established by then but were maroon Gresley 61' coaches still used?  John in Bury St Edmunds