carlos

Eveleigh Creations has some Wisbech coaches, may be of interest:

http://eveleighcreations.com/great-eastern-rly-tram-coaches/

With best wishes,

Carlos

Hi David, 

I'd have a little Sharpie, and probably a T26 (still thinking). In the meantime, I did some homework and found that Alan Gibson has some appropriate wheels for the Little Sharpie, I think:

driving wheels (5'7" original, 5'8" 1889-1893) 18 spokes (?) -> 4868

front and tender (3'8") 10 spokes (?) -> 4844

5 minutes ago, runs as required said:

The only real political Anarchists I ever talked to were on an Italian campsite and pitched their tents in two straight lines

They explained they were official (and of the George Orwell variety) on holiday from Barcelona.

dh

Sure it has to be like that, we Spaniards are quite prone to do the reverse of what we are told. If no one is telling you to put your tents orderly, of course you do. I do not know why two lines and not one or three...

Carlos

Ian - You may find it worth while to order their catalogue - an INCREDIBLE range of stuff, and in my opinion, very good value  - Mine came at the beginning of the month - I got it via ebay from here and would recommend their service  

 

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You can also download it from here

http://www.acrylicosvallejo.com/en_US/download/e4983c4a00a7f9ae86247b0ed0462656.cms/Catalogue-2018.pdf

A* in Maths, Further Maths, Geography, and French and A in Chemistry so rather more than meeting his offer for Geography at Durham.

 

Nobody really wanted or needed to know that but I'm suffering from a bout of pround parentitis. EDIT: I interpret "agree" as applying to the not needing or wanting!

Actually I meant I agree with you being proud... I'm not very good using "emojis" and all that stuff but I think you are right to be proud!

Carlos

I'm looking forward to get mine!

Do someone know if diagram 401 (4 wheels third class 5 compartments) is to this drawing from HMRS?

https://hmrs.org.uk/drawings/third-class-5-compartments-15ft-3ins-w-b-26ft-ins-o-b.html

I'm specially thinking on the interior detail, and this drawing could help. Apparently they only sell a physical copy in different paper sizes, which is a bit sad.

As per the W-irons, could any of Masokits offers do?

Carlos

Thanks Edwardian and Bucoops, that is most useful.

And I also appreciate the pictures, hoarding info until the day I'll assemble them!

A further update and more information may now be found on David's website, here: http://eveleighcreations.com/4-mm-ger-coach-bodies/

 

David is still taking pre-orders, with the artwork approved by the etchers and delivery of all three coaches anticipated for this summer.

Good! I've already preordered one third (diagram 401)!

Buffers and lamps from Guy Rixon can be used, but what about axleboxes and springs for the 4-wheelers, what are the possibilities?

Carlos

Oh, I just got one shot... that detailed data on train compositions are from the book of Peter Paye "the Ely & St Ives train" (only in the second edition, which more than doubles the content of the first one). I wish to have such data for other lines, as the Cambridge to St Ives branch...

That coaches from Peter K's range were available on 2015 (I went for the vans...), I'd check again soon... and yes, the dinning car set I think it is that one!

Carlos

I have been in touch with David Eveleigh, at Eveleigh Creations, in response to a post here pointing out his 2mm Scale GER etched coach kits. As I earlier reported, he cannot simply re-size these, but, as he has the measurements, he is happy to re-design for 4mm if there is sufficient interest. 

 

The 2mm versions are pictured below. 

 

I have also raised the question of producing some GER Holden 6-wheelers, with the idea that these could be produced once the 4-wheelers are done.

 

The coaches will only be produced if there is sufficient interest to justify the minimum volume, and David has asked me to post the following announcement:

 

I have been in correspondence about the possibility of providing etched kits for sides, ends and roofs for Great Eastern Railway four and six wheeled coaches in 4 mm scale.   I have already produced kits in 2 mm scale for the diagram 401 five compartment four wheeled third, the diagram 501 two compartment brake third and the diagram 101 four compartment first, measuring from extant coach bodies.   I am thinking of making available in 4 mm scale  kits for the coach bodies comprising sides, ends with integral head-stocks, roofs, sole-bar overlays, drop-lights, ventilators and end footsteps.    They would be to the correct dimensions and with the idea of using the longer wheelbase Ratio injection moulded GWR coach kit to provide the under-frame.   I would be able to do the four wheeled coaches for £25 each and would need firm orders with a deposit for at least 14 coach body kits in order to proceed.

 

I need to gauge demand and so would invite you to contact me via my website: 

http://eveleighcreations.com/

 

Depending on how many people contact me I would initially offer the first and third class coaches, following on if there were sufficient sales with the brake third.

 

If the demand is there I would also like to do the four Holden six wheeled coaches:  34'6" Brake Third (Dia.514);  34'6" 6-Compartment Thirds (Dia. 404);  32' Centre Luggage Compartment 4-Compartment Composite (D219);  and 32' Full Brakes (Dias.513 or 516).   The cost of having masks and initial etches for new sheets is considerable, however, so these later items will depend on sufficient sales of the former to finance them.

 

Please have a look at my website for examples of my work

 

4-Wheelers

 

The 4-wheelers date from the 1870s and I would think that they were built for suburban work. However, Holden renewed the suburban 4-wheel stock with large numbers of new coaches towards the end of  the Nineteenth Century.  I believe that older 4-wheelers then found there way on to branch lines and a considerable number were sold off in the 1900-1904.  Purchasers of GE stock included minor independent railways, colliery lines and Light Railways of the Colonel Stephens ilk, so these are ideal for freelance Light Railway or industrial projects.

 

Another use for them would be to replicate the large number of grounded coach bodies used by the GER to provide platform shelters and ancillary buildings at many rural locations on its system.  Many bodies are preserved because many became homes during the Edwardian period. 

 

The kits would comprise sides, ends roof and a fascia representing the wooden solebars, and he intends to reproduce the brake Third, 5-Compt. Third and 4-Compt. First.

 

The body style features characteristic GER round tops to the window lights and panels, and features raised beading on the waists.  This is a very 1860s-1870s style, which the Great Eastern perpetuated into the 1880s. Originally varnished teak, when they became to shabby to retain the varnished finish, they were painted in GE coach brown, which appears to have been a slightly reddish brown. A preserved example of a coach finished in this way is the  GER First Class Smoking Carriage of 1863 on the Mid-Suffolk (http://www.rmweb.co....heme/?p=2726273).

 

When built these would probably have been oil lit (the first Pintsch gas lit suburban stock was built from 1877), but I understand that they were later converted to gas.

 

Guy Rixon of this Parish has very kindly responded to requests for GER coach fittings by producing 3D printed accessories, so GER buffer shanks (https://www.shapeway...tionId=61554189) and Pintsch gas lamp tops (https://www.shapeway...tionId=61657147) are available from his Shapeways shop.

 

6-Wheelers

 

These are Holden type 5 coaches, built in the 1886-1896 period (the types are these defined by John Watling in a series of excellent articles available on the GERS website: https://www.gersocie...iages/types-5-8).

 

Holden Type 5s were built to standardised lengths.  By this period, the beaded waist panels had been replaced by rounded ended recessed waist panels.  The window lights and vertical panels have large radius top corners. I believe that D&S at one stage produced the 6-Compt. Third, but generally the old D&S range of GE 6-wheelers featured the next generation of Holden types, Type 7A, built from 1896-1898.  The Type 7A were "square lights", i.e. the windows have right-angled, non-radial corners.  Whereas the Square Light 6-wheelers had Lavatory Composites and 5-Compt. Lav. Thirds, the Type 5s had Luggage Composites and 6-Compt. Thirds.  

 

Built as mainline general service coaches, photographic evidence suggests that the Type 5s were in service in large numbers for a prolonged period, though my interest/research is confined to the pre-Grouping era, so I don't know now long they lasted. 

 

Bill King of the GERS has very kindly directed me to the Stratford Works drawings for the following:

 

34'6" Brake Third (Dia.514);  

 

34'6" 6-Compartment Third (Dia. 404);  

 

32' Centre Luggage Compartment 4-Compartment Composite (D219);  

 

32' Full Brake (Dia.516)

 

These would be the intended kits.

 

Guy Rixon already produces a 3D-print accessory sprue for GER 6-wheel coaches that would be suitable.  Included are springs (with the centre springs on 'J' hangers), axle boxes, buffer shanks and Pintsch gas lamp tops: https://www.shapeway...tionId=64070109. 

 

Please can any one interested in the production of these models please get in touch with David Eveleigh, and please let me know.

I'm slowly modelling GER around Cambridge, and so these coach kits are of interest to me. The dates are more in the 1905-1910 range, so I probably should be more interested on the 6-wheeled carriages.

Not sure if you are aware of Peter K's range (now Kemilway https://www.kemilway.com/) has a few coaches in his range (and a few wagons and vans). Here are my notes

PK41/88: Diagram 216, Built 1875.

PK39/88: Diagram 501, Built 1872-1874.

PK40/88: Diagram 502, Built 1872-1874(probably)

I was thinking to create the following composition, that ran from the 1880's to shortly after the change of century on the Ely & St Ives railway (operated by GER)

Diagram 216 + Diagram 401 (1 or 2) + Diagram 502

As you see, I could use Diagram 216 and 502 from Peter K's and Diagram 401 from Eveleigh

As a caution note, Eveleigh is proposing Diagram 501, that is being already offered by Peter K's

So I may contact Eveleigh for 1 or 2 401's

And for the 6 wheelers, I'd really like to build a train for the Cambridge to St Ives branch (the loop), but not sure which ones where used (any idea welcome). The Ely & St Ives railway used the following train early in the 1900's

Diagram 200+ Diagram 403(1 or 2)+ Diagram 511 or Diagram 514 or Diagram 505

It's in between my two periods! Horse moving behind a platform is certainly one option, along with behind a wall or hedge. I've thought of all of them, but having a go is still a long way off!

I think it's difficult to tell, especially as they seem to have stopped work to pose for the camera.

Some has ropes tying them, so they may be full? One hasn't, it looks a posed one to show the name.