RBE Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 The redland hopper colour is BS 6-070. Not sure what model paint that translates to but its a start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) We are now down to our last half dozen or so Redland hoppers. Last chance... (Though I understand C&M still have good stock) Edited January 4, 2019 by Trains4U Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Last chance... (Though I understand C&M still have good stock) Indeed we do. we have around 20 of each left in stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted January 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) .. Edited January 5, 2019 by McC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGomez Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) My rake of PGAs arrived over Christmas and very nice they are too. Here are a couple of images of 45004 hauling them through the station. Cavalex Redland PGAs 02 by McGomez441, on Flickr Cavalex Redland PGAs 01 by McGomez441, on Flickr A bit of video was also done but I have just discovered that the You Tube editor that was so easy to use has been withdrawn so curently looking at other options. Edited January 7, 2019 by McGomez 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 Excellent news from Hornby today, 60015 in Construction sector livery will go nicely with some Redland PGAs. Not 015 but you get the idea. 60012 'Glyder Fawr' by grahamwalker007, on Flickr Hopefully a Metals sector 60 from Hornby in 2020! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul W Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) I am about to weather & load 3 of the Redland PGA's and weather 3 of the Lafarge PGA's and was wondering if someone could help me with the shape of the loads in these wagons. I am assuming, rightly or wrongly, that the loading process was done on a 1/2 & 1/2 basis per wagon and therefore 2 peaks would be present on each load, or was it the case that these were centrally loaded so only 1 peak is required in the centre of the load. I am assuming that the cross support in the centre of the wagon lends itself to suggest the 1/2 & 1/2 loading procedure, otherwise this would become very battered very quickly during the loading process. Also would this cross support bar always be exposed or was it often covered when loaded? I have enough photo's for weathering purposes but 99.9% of these are from trackside and don't show the load characteristics. Also the coloration of the load is another point to consider. How many differing types of product did these PGA's carry and did it all emanate from the same source, Mountsorrel. Any info concerning loading and the product carried would be very helpful. Many thanks Paul W Edited January 10, 2019 by Paul W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Hi Paul. Glad to see someone tackling these. I'm planning to weather some at some point also. Anyway judging by the photos attached the wagons appear to be single fill (maybe drawing forward as it goes the first pic could have two peaks to a degree). The central bar is there to prevent the hopper side bowing under the weight of the load. Its position is not really negotiable. All the trains here are out of Mountsorrel so it looks like any colour along the scale from off white to pinky red/beige is acceptable as the load. Hope this helps. And this one although not the PGA (its hoppers from the self discharge train) it was still filled at Mountsorrel. Edited January 10, 2019 by RBE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul W Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Hi Cav Thanks for that, very helpful. One other question you my be able to help me with, were these PGA's aluminium or steel bodied? This will determine rust spots & streaks, if any. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Looks like steel to me bud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimleygrid Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Hi Paul, I have made a few enquiries, the bodies were made of steel. From my understanding, the wagons were loaded in one go from the overhead hopper fed by a conveyor from the Quarry. The train moved slowly below the hopper where the loading operator controlled the flow of product from the hopper to fully fill the wagon as it moved slowly underneath. Hope that helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Here's a pic of Mountsorrel from above https://www.flickr.com/photos/robmcrorie/41996023320 Seems to confirm the above, notice how it creates the ripple effect in the longer wagons Jo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul W Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Cheers Cav for that shot of the rust spots & streaking. Just what was needed. Alex, thanks for the loading info although I have just received an email concerning the differing loading techniques used now as opposed to 30 years ago before the new conveyors were installed. That may explain why my photo's of the Tilbury Roadstone liveried PGA's & the subsequent Redlands show twin peaks whereas later on as Cav and you have said they seem to show a more even central continuous loading event. Thanks Jo for that excellent overhead shot. It really does show that the ripple/peak effect is still there which suggest a stop/load/start event as opposed to slow speed control loading. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwicksfinest Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 As one how seems to spend half my life taking trains out of Sorrel. Loading takes place under the bunker by Mountsorrel's own "pilot" which more often than not is remote controlled but can be driven, drawing forward (towards Loughborough) one wagon at a time, and loaded from the bins controlled by a hydraulic "door", because of the capacity of the drop and the volume of the wagon its unusual for continuous loading necessitating stopping per wagon creating mini peaks along the length of the wagon. Loading usually takes place on No 2 road (furthest from MML) only using No 1 road if very busy or fault with No 2 bin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott B Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) I am about to weather & load 3 of the Redland PGA's and weather 3 of the Lafarge PGA's and was wondering if someone could help me with the shape of the loads in these wagons. I am assuming, rightly or wrongly, that the loading process was done on a 1/2 & 1/2 basis per wagon and therefore 2 peaks would be present on each load, or was it the case that these were centrally loaded so only 1 peak is required in the centre of the load. I am assuming that the cross support in the centre of the wagon lends itself to suggest the 1/2 & 1/2 loading procedure, otherwise this would become very battered very quickly during the loading process. Also would this cross support bar always be exposed or was it often covered when loaded? I have enough photo's for weathering purposes but 99.9% of these are from trackside and don't show the load characteristics. Also the coloration of the load is another point to consider. How many differing types of product did these PGA's carry and did it all emanate from the same source, Mountsorrel. Any info concerning loading and the product carried would be very helpful. Many thanks Paul W This video may assist with the various "humps" in the wagons. Regards Scott Edited January 10, 2019 by Scott B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Looks like a double fill is the order of the day on that one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike knowles Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I was planning to make removable loads for my wagons but given the sides slope inwards at the top I can't see how I could do this. Anyone got any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Make them on sponge so you can squeeze them under the slopes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike knowles Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Good idea. I'll give it a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul W Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Scott....that video is excellent...thanks for posting. That's how I remembered them but my photo's were never from above. That video answers my questions, and a great roof shot of a grid too, bonus..... The 3 Redlands will be permanently loaded so I didn't have the problem of finding a method of load removal. The 6 PGA's are in the spray shop for the finishing coats of weathering tomorrow so when dry I'll post some pics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Looking forward to seeing them Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul W Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hot out of the spray shop are the 3 X Redland and 3 X Lafarge PGA's. 90% of the weathering is applied by hand and the rest by airbrush. Only the Redlands are loaded as per the video above. The lighting doesn't lend itself to showing the intricate streaking on the top of the sloping part of the hoppers. They look a lot better in hand (-: Paul 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Nice to see some grime on these!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGomez Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I finally got around to editing a short video of the PGAs behind 45004. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sails Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Update from the guys on twitter https://twitter.com/cavalexmodels/status/1085875348477100032 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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