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Is it simply that this version is the obvious choice, in offering the maximum potential as a basis for all of the Plate, Trestle and Twin Bolster variants as built by all of the LNER, LMS and BR? As a generic type of wagon it's an entirely logical addition to the range; I am surprised at how long it has taken to appear, especially given the long sustained production of class 37s from multiple manufacturers, which class could be seen with these wagons every day of the week.

 

The last 4 or 5 Parkside kits I have bought, all 21T Mineral wagons, had plastic wheels, which I have replaced.

 Ask Parkside for their opinion on whether these kits left them so equipped.

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The last 4 or 5 Parkside kits I have bought, all 21T Mineral wagons, had plastic wheels, which I have replaced.

I still see the older stock with plastic wheels on a well-known auction site as well as at shows and even some in shops. I have not had plastic wheels in any of the later packaging and many of the earlier packs still around have a label about metal wheels.

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Is it simply that this version is the obvious choice, in offering the maximum potential as a basis for all of the Plate, Trestle and Twin Bolster variants as built by all of the LNER, LMS and BR? As a generic type of wagon it's an entirely logical addition to the range; I am surprised at how long it has taken to appear, especially given the long sustained production of class 37s from multiple manufacturers, which class could be seen with these wagons every day of the week.

 

 Ask Parkside for their opinion on whether these kits left them so equipped.

All the ones I've bought had Romford wheels and bearings, which is what they advertise on their site; were these purchased from a retailer, or from a well-known auction site? The only time I've not had wheels and bearings supplied is when buying seperate underframe kits.

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Regarding the wheels supplied by Parkside Dundas; I contacted them and this was their (very quick) reply: 

 

'We use Alan Gibson wheels in our kits now. They have metal tyres with plastic centres on metal axles.'

So they are no longer supplying Romford wheels, but they are not using all-plastic wheels either (which I must admit I thought they were).

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Correct John, the wagon is a LNER design built under Diagram 168 between 1942 and 1946 at Darlington and Shildon Works of which 1250 were built in total.

 

1942 Darlington 500 250398-897

1943 Darlington 200 260148-347

1944 Darlington 200 265700-899

1945 Shildon    100 278279-378

1946 Shildon    250 286259-508

 

Were any produced for the LMS? I can't find my original LMS wagons book, which gives all the build details but Vol. 1 of the later books shows an apparently identical vehicle, of which 1050 were built.

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Martin

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Were any produced for the LMS? I can't find my original LMS wagons book, which gives all the build details but Vol. 1 of the later books shows an apparently identical vehicle, of which 1050 were built.

Thanks,

Martin

 

Yes the LMS had some built for them between 1945 and 1949. Numbered between 726000 and 727049. There are two photos on P123 of LMS Wagons Vol.1. which show LMS Double Bolster 726018 and Plate wagon M726954.

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Is it me or have they got the brake push rods the wrong way round?  Hopefully these are only pre-production examples and the finished ones will be correct .... 

 

 

Coincidentally after I wrote that, the postman delivered 'Model Rail' 230 (January 2017) which has some very clear pictures of pre-production samples, which DO have the push rods the right way round!  They're good looking models, with a lot of nicely rendered detail.

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I'm in a bit of a quandry here.... I have several unbuilt Parkside kits for these, with MM transfers.  Building a Parkside kit is like a relaxtion therapy, but do I have the time?  Answer is of course 'Yes' , but what else could I do with that time if I bought these?

 Get the behind me .......

From a very cold WA,

Peter C.

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Coincidentally after I wrote that, the postman delivered 'Model Rail' 230 (January 2017) which has some very clear pictures of pre-production samples, which DO have the push rods the right way round!  They're good looking models, with a lot of nicely rendered detail.

In my experience, the correctness (or otherwise) of the brake gear on Bachmann wagons is fairly random.

 

I doubt there are (m)any Chinese workers familiar with the workings of Morton brakes so they really need to design and tool the parts in such a way that they can only be assembled one way round.

 

John

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They seem to have used LNER-style W-irons on the Twin-Bolster, and BR ones on the Plate. It's to be hoped that they'll do the fitted versions of the Plate with both LNER and BR styles of brake gear. This isn't the first time the Double Bolster's been done as R-T-R:- https://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=l&ai=DChcSEwirtJGE0O7QAhUCk-0KHZeJBAcYABA8&sig=AOD64_1EHfm9bjefM5xscvrCcwEy-MvOWw&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwjT7I6E0O7QAhXMAcAKHUKpCZQQqCsI5AE&adurl= though you have to use a fair amount of imagination.

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Isnt this for the LNER/BR version of the wagons, with the LMS a different one? Dont chiver fineline do the LMS version as a kit? And if it is fir the LNER/BR version, is it the early version with riveting or the later welded ends, and how many door springs does it have?

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Isnt this for the LNER/BR version of the wagons, with the LMS a different one? Dont chiver fineline do the LMS version as a kit? And if it is fir the LNER/BR version, is it the early version with riveting or the later welded ends, and how many door springs does it have?

The Chivers one is the earlier LMS design, sometimes described as a Long Low, which had timber sides. The LNER built steel-bodied wagons for both itself and the LMS, initially to deal with the increased demand during WW2, and then to replace older vehicles. I don't remember any of the wagons I saw having any form of door springs; the sides were only about a foot deep, and fairly solid, so there wasn't really the need.

Here is an LNER fitted wagon:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerplate/h9f3ab7f#h9f3ab7f

An LNER unfitted one:-             http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerplate/h9f3ab7f#h24f5acd0

A welded LMS-built one :-         http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2c7aa6d1#h2c7aa6d1

and a riveted one:-                    http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2b03b552#h2b03b552

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Yes the LMS had some built for them between 1945 and 1949. Numbered between 726000 and 727049. There are two photos on P123 of LMS Wagons Vol.1. which show LMS Double Bolster 726018 and Plate wagon M726954.

 

I have now found the book! The LMS ones were built in 5 lots between 1945 and 1949, Messrs. Essery and Morgan crediting the builder as LMS/BR Wolverton Works. So it appears that the LNER did not build them for the LMSR after all.

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I have now found the book! The LMS ones were built in 5 lots between 1945 and 1949, Messrs. Essery and Morgan crediting the builder as LMS/BR Wolverton Works. So it appears that the LNER did not build them for the LMSR after all.

There were some built before 1944 by the LMS:-

Lot 1344 Derby 1944 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h3d374d36#h240dd6f3

The first wagons to this Lot were built in 1943.

The LNER may not have built them for the LMS, but  they certainly seemed to have done the design work.

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There were some built before 1944 by the LMS:-

Lot 1344 Derby 1944 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h3d374d36#h240dd6f3

The first wagons to this Lot were built in 1943.

The LNER may not have built them for the LMS, but  they certainly seemed to have done the design work.

 

I was referring to LMS double bolsters (diag. 2105) in my post. The book reveals that the LMS also produced Long Low wagons (diag. 2083) which were like the LNER Plate. 550 of these were built at Derby and/or Wolverton between 1944 and '49 in 5 lots. If you have info to suggest that the first were built in 1943, so be it. The LMS and LNER seemed to cooperate over the design of special vehicles during WW2.  

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I was referring to LMS double bolsters (diag. 2105) in my post. The book reveals that the LMS also produced Long Low wagons (diag. 2083) which were like the LNER Plate. 550 of these were built at Derby and/or Wolverton between 1944 and '49 in 5 lots. If you have info to suggest that the first were built in 1943, so be it. The LMS and LNER seemed to cooperate over the design of special vehicles during WW2.  

The 1943 build I referred to were 'Plate' wagons by the time Mr Bartlett had photographed them:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2b68de51#h2b68de51

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The 1943 build I referred to were 'Plate' wagons by the time Mr Bartlett had photographed them:- http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/h2b68de51#h2b68de51

I don't understand this, that wagon was always a PLATE. The bolsters were in the 72xxxx series. Such as this one, which TMC are doing http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/e3ba43ac2 Notice the extra support on the solebar central above the axleguard.

 

Paul

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I don't understand this, that wagon was always a plate. The bolsters were in the 72xxxx series. Such as this one, which TMC are doing http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/e3ba43ac2 Notice the extra support on the solebar central above the axleguard.

 

Paul

I wasn't sure which were built as Plates and which were 'debolstered' Double Bolsters.

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