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A question for all you geniuses out there (-:

Were these loads chained down or tied with ropes or something else?

It would be great to capture every little detail surely!

Does anyone have pictures even?

Thanks.

Rob

It depended on the load:-

Plates or steel section loaded on the wagon floor, and not coming above the top of the sides, such as those you showed earlier, would simply rely on the wagon sides to keep them in place.

Steel section on the twin bolsters would be chained- there should be D-shaped loops on the end of the bolsters for this. Ordinary Plates didn't have chaining down loops, so relied on roping.

The Wire-Coil versions of the plates relied on copious amounts of nylon string/rope to hold the sheets down. At Longport, at least, nobody bothered to undo this string, simply cutting through it with a knife.

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A question for all you geniuses out there (-:

Were these loads chained down or tied with ropes or something else?

It would be great to capture every little detail surely!

Does anyone have pictures even?

Thanks.

Rob

 

The 2 books in this series have views of loaded, correctly and badly, wagons of all types, therte are some overhead views of plate wagons;

 

https://www.collectablesmegastore.com/railway-books/5295-british-railways-wagons-by-brian-grant-bill-taylor-2003-pb-ref070.html

 

Mike.

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Would there not be some wooden dunnage between the steel sheets. To help with unloading, stop the sheets sliding one over the other if shunted roughly and to stop surface tension sticking the plates together if water got between them?

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Would there not be some wooden dunnage between the steel sheets. To help with unloading, stop the sheets sliding one over the other if shunted roughly and to stop surface tension sticking the plates together if water got between them?

 

If it was only common or garden plate steel, then no, having it "sticking" together was an advantage, whether by surface friction or water, as it helped with the stablity of the load

On trestle wagons,once chained down and wedged at the bottom of the trestle they were quite secure.

 

Mike.

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Just to let you guys know we will be doing a limited edition pack of Gulf Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagons

38-776Z 20 Ton Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagons ‘Gulf’

Saw your post on Facebook. They do look good :)

 

Do you have anymore updates on your Bolster wagons?

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Well the original idea was to have them in for June/July but realistically we're going to be looking at September/October now as we are still waiting for the decorated samples to arrive.

 

Those Blue Gulf tankers may not appear quite so dark when they models arrive. Again it'll be interesting to see the decorated samples.

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...The LMS and LNER seemed to cooperate over the design of special vehicles during WW2.  

Picking up rather late on this point, actually from about 1929 if I remember correctly. There was a realisation that they would jointly benefit from reduced design cost and standardisation in special vehicle provision, one of the early successes being what was classified as Bogie Bolster D by BR, later BDA. Constructional technique and specific equipment fit varied between the groups, but the capacity of the vehicles was the same.

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Any pictures/eta of the loads you are making for the Plate wagons

Hello. Sorry I've only just noticed your question.

Here are pictures of some early test batches.

Medium rusty on one side and lighter on the other side. Two sizes of plate in each pack. Two longer and two shorter.

Then light yellowish rust on the edges where the sheets are cut.

https://www.themodelcentre.com/PWL1/

It should be possible to add chalked on destinations too.

Or to custom make the plate finish to specific requirements.

 

As regards pig iron loads, the ugly huge silver coloured pigs picture was just of a quick mess about when we first considered doing pig iron loads. The white CAD picture is a much more accurate picture of the small dog bone shaped, waisted pigs that are more prototypical. Arthur from rmweb has very kindly been giving me direction on these.

We will try hard to get these in production and as near to Arthur's directions as possible.

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The painted-on markings on the sheets were generally concerned with quality control, with details of which melt was used, when the plate was rolled etc. Wagons loaded with plate would turn up at the most unlikely locations- Barnstaple, for Appledore Shipyard, for example. The markings were applied with a 2" round brush, which never seemed to be cleaned, so they wouldn't need to be too neat.

Plates loaded with pig-iron got around a bit as well; here's a link to an Andy Kirkham shot of one at Compair's foundry at Camborne:-

https://www.flickr.com/photos/52554553@N06/10419662884/in/album-72157636828119615/

They were also used for carrying small ingots (5t maximum), loaded two above each axle; one such flow was from Duport, Llanelli, to Briton Ferry steelworks, and ingot moulds, both new outward, and broken inward, from BSC's foundries at Landore and Dowlais. RT Models make both moulds and ingots.

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The painted-on markings on the sheets were generally concerned with quality control, with details of which melt was used, when the plate was rolled etc. Wagons loaded with plate would turn up at the most unlikely locations- Barnstaple, for Appledore Shipyard, for example. The markings were applied with a 2" round brush, which never seemed to be cleaned, so they wouldn't need to be too neat.

Plates loaded with pig-iron got around a bit as well; here's a link to an Andy Kirkham shot of one at Compair's foundry at Camborne:-

https://www.flickr.com/photos/52554553@N06/10419662884/in/album-72157636828119615/

They were also used for carrying small ingots (5t maximum), loaded two above each axle; one such flow was from Duport, Llanelli, to Briton Ferry steelworks, and ingot moulds, both new outward, and broken inward, from BSC's foundries at Landore and Dowlais. RT Models make both moulds and ingots.

Wow that is very helpful. And interesting too.

Thank you so much!

Rob

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4 mins: 20 seconds in, for typical markings on Consett plate products, circa 1960-61.

 

 

and plenty of loaded plate wagons on the move at the very end.

 

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