Andy Y Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It is right; for consistency there should now be a TMC sub forum. I will sort it next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
How about a Dictator Loco Class? Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 A question for all you geniuses out there (-: Were these loads chained down or tied with ropes or something else? It would be great to capture every little detail surely! Does anyone have pictures even? Thanks. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 A question for all you geniuses out there (-: Were these loads chained down or tied with ropes or something else? It would be great to capture every little detail surely! Does anyone have pictures even? Thanks. Rob It depended on the load:- Plates or steel section loaded on the wagon floor, and not coming above the top of the sides, such as those you showed earlier, would simply rely on the wagon sides to keep them in place. Steel section on the twin bolsters would be chained- there should be D-shaped loops on the end of the bolsters for this. Ordinary Plates didn't have chaining down loops, so relied on roping. The Wire-Coil versions of the plates relied on copious amounts of nylon string/rope to hold the sheets down. At Longport, at least, nobody bothered to undo this string, simply cutting through it with a knife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2017 A question for all you geniuses out there (-: Were these loads chained down or tied with ropes or something else? It would be great to capture every little detail surely! Does anyone have pictures even? Thanks. Rob The 2 books in this series have views of loaded, correctly and badly, wagons of all types, therte are some overhead views of plate wagons; https://www.collectablesmegastore.com/railway-books/5295-british-railways-wagons-by-brian-grant-bill-taylor-2003-pb-ref070.html Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Would there not be some wooden dunnage between the steel sheets. To help with unloading, stop the sheets sliding one over the other if shunted roughly and to stop surface tension sticking the plates together if water got between them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Would there not be some wooden dunnage between the steel sheets. To help with unloading, stop the sheets sliding one over the other if shunted roughly and to stop surface tension sticking the plates together if water got between them? If it was only common or garden plate steel, then no, having it "sticking" together was an advantage, whether by surface friction or water, as it helped with the stablity of the load On trestle wagons,once chained down and wedged at the bottom of the trestle they were quite secure. Mike. Edited for clarity. Edited March 15, 2017 by Enterprisingwestern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 My mate has sent a few pics of the TMC Bolster and Plate wagons at Ally Pally today. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Have just found these couple of photos (links below) showing the inside of some plate wagons. https://flic.kr/p/MnRveb https://flic.kr/p/MTjV93 Hope they will be of interest/use. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 Artwork stage has appeared on the TMC website: 38-825Z Bachmann OO Gauge Double Bolster Wagon Freight Brown Livery B920055 38-826Z Bachmann OO Gauge Double Bolster Wagon Twin Pack Freight Grey livery M726282/E286444 38-827Z Bachmann OO Gauge Double Bolster Wagon with Bolsters removed Twin Pack Freight Grey livery E310418/B920098 38-828Z Bachmann OO Gauge Double Bolster Wagon LMS Bauxite livery 726018 38-829Z Bachmann OO Gauge Double Bolster Wagon LNER Grey livery 250641 38-830Z Bachmann OO Gauge Double Bolster Wagon Olive Green/Freight Grey livery DE250482 38-850Z Bachmann OO Gauge Plate Wagon ZDO Freight Grey livery DB931321 38-851Z Bachmann OO Gauge Reach Wagon TDB931937 38-852Z Bachmann OO Gauge Engineers 'Winkle' Wagon Engineers Black Livery DB997539 38-853Z Bachmann OO Gauge Barrier Wagon Olive Green livery B931873 38-854Z Bachmann OO Gauge Plate Wagon Twin pack Freight Grey B930287/M498695 38-855Z Bachmann OO Gauge Plate Wagon Freight Grey E239992 38-856Z Bachmann OO Gauge Plate Wagon Lakenby Works Freight Grey E212085 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmc Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just to let you guys know we will be doing a limited edition pack of Gulf Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagons 38-776Z 20 Ton Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagons ‘Gulf’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 Just to let you guys know we will be doing a limited edition pack of Gulf Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagons 38-776Z 20 Ton Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagons ‘Gulf’ Saw your post on Facebook. They do look good Do you have anymore updates on your Bolster wagons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmc Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 (edited) Well the original idea was to have them in for June/July but realistically we're going to be looking at September/October now as we are still waiting for the decorated samples to arrive. Those Blue Gulf tankers may not appear quite so dark when they models arrive. Again it'll be interesting to see the decorated samples. Edited June 6, 2017 by tmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Any pictures/eta of the loads you are making for the Plate wagons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 I saw in the latest Model Rail that the Plate and Double Bolsters have now entered production. Have you received the livery samples yet tmc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Are they fitted with through air pipes?............................................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 ...The LMS and LNER seemed to cooperate over the design of special vehicles during WW2. Picking up rather late on this point, actually from about 1929 if I remember correctly. There was a realisation that they would jointly benefit from reduced design cost and standardisation in special vehicle provision, one of the early successes being what was classified as Bogie Bolster D by BR, later BDA. Constructional technique and specific equipment fit varied between the groups, but the capacity of the vehicles was the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
How about a Dictator Loco Class? Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Any pictures/eta of the loads you are making for the Plate wagons Hello. Sorry I've only just noticed your question. Here are pictures of some early test batches. Medium rusty on one side and lighter on the other side. Two sizes of plate in each pack. Two longer and two shorter. Then light yellowish rust on the edges where the sheets are cut. https://www.themodelcentre.com/PWL1/ It should be possible to add chalked on destinations too. Or to custom make the plate finish to specific requirements. As regards pig iron loads, the ugly huge silver coloured pigs picture was just of a quick mess about when we first considered doing pig iron loads. The white CAD picture is a much more accurate picture of the small dog bone shaped, waisted pigs that are more prototypical. Arthur from rmweb has very kindly been giving me direction on these. We will try hard to get these in production and as near to Arthur's directions as possible. Edited October 17, 2017 by How about a Dictator Loco Class? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The painted-on markings on the sheets were generally concerned with quality control, with details of which melt was used, when the plate was rolled etc. Wagons loaded with plate would turn up at the most unlikely locations- Barnstaple, for Appledore Shipyard, for example. The markings were applied with a 2" round brush, which never seemed to be cleaned, so they wouldn't need to be too neat. Plates loaded with pig-iron got around a bit as well; here's a link to an Andy Kirkham shot of one at Compair's foundry at Camborne:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/52554553@N06/10419662884/in/album-72157636828119615/ They were also used for carrying small ingots (5t maximum), loaded two above each axle; one such flow was from Duport, Llanelli, to Briton Ferry steelworks, and ingot moulds, both new outward, and broken inward, from BSC's foundries at Landore and Dowlais. RT Models make both moulds and ingots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
How about a Dictator Loco Class? Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 The painted-on markings on the sheets were generally concerned with quality control, with details of which melt was used, when the plate was rolled etc. Wagons loaded with plate would turn up at the most unlikely locations- Barnstaple, for Appledore Shipyard, for example. The markings were applied with a 2" round brush, which never seemed to be cleaned, so they wouldn't need to be too neat. Plates loaded with pig-iron got around a bit as well; here's a link to an Andy Kirkham shot of one at Compair's foundry at Camborne:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/52554553@N06/10419662884/in/album-72157636828119615/ They were also used for carrying small ingots (5t maximum), loaded two above each axle; one such flow was from Duport, Llanelli, to Briton Ferry steelworks, and ingot moulds, both new outward, and broken inward, from BSC's foundries at Landore and Dowlais. RT Models make both moulds and ingots. Wow that is very helpful. And interesting too. Thank you so much! Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) 4 mins: 20 seconds in, for typical markings on Consett plate products, circa 1960-61. and plenty of loaded plate wagons on the move at the very end. P Edited October 18, 2017 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 The Q6 at 6.33 and the train of the plate wagons looks great there Porcy. I couldnt see any tie downs on the plates at all. an interesting video. thanks for sharing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 18, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 18, 2017 Back in the days when the industry was full of optimism too! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 The Q6 at 6.33 and the train of the plate wagons looks great there Porcy. I couldnt see any tie downs on the plates at all. an interesting video. thanks for sharing Plates, or at least the heavier ones, didn't need securing, as the top of the load was below the wagon side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebigshot Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I've just ordered 2 wagons and hopefully hear by that date Thanks Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Good to see these wagons appear in the latest issue of BRM. Hopefully not long now til we see these beauties then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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