RMweb Gold 57xx Posted July 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2017 From what I can make out, neither the 6-wheel or 4-wheel Toads announced by Oxford Rail yet exist as anything more than CAD images, with that of the latter clearly being a cut-and-paste job based on that of the former. Bit early for the wailing and gnashing of teeth, I'd have thought............... Oxford's LNER cattle wagon seems to have sold OK despite its faults and none of the errors/omissions on the Toads (even if they do make it through to the finished product) look anything like as bad or as tricky to rectify. Pre production models were avaiable for viewing back in May. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 From what I can make out, neither the 6-wheel or 4-wheel Toads announced by Oxford Rail yet exist as anything more than CAD images, with that of the latter clearly being a cut-and-paste job based on that of the former. Bit early for the wailing and gnashing of teeth, I'd have thought............... Oxford's LNER cattle wagon seems to have sold OK despite its faults and none of the errors/omissions on the Toads (even if they do make it through to the finished product) look anything like as bad or as tricky to rectify. John The August Hornby magazine, just released, has decorated sample photos in GWR and BR liveries, of both the 4 and 6 wheel toads from Oxford. The handrails could be separate mouldings as there are bends in the rails on some of the sample models, which makes it seem to be fitted rather than moulded, but difficult to be sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted July 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2017 Fingers crossed for separate handrails; I cannot imagine Ox would let Hornby steal a march on them in this way even if their van is cheaper, but you never know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 btw, Oxford's AA3 17831 was indeed allocated to Paddington, but 17831 was an AA12. (I suspect they wanted to choose 17540.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 btw, Oxford's AA3 17831 was indeed allocated to Paddington, but 17831 was an AA12. (I suspect they wanted to choose 17540.) Good thing all the modern image lettering will need to come off mine then! Does anyone know when they might turn up. Hattons reckoned July to September when I last checked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2017 I'd suspect Hornby have stolen the march on Toad brakevans just now. It would be quite daunting to go up against the AA13, especially if you've got it 'wrong' (not, however, that I'm suggesting that). The extra detail required the 'wow' factor might well push the cost-effectiveness of the Ox toad into the realms of negative returns, and inhibit it's eventual release. It might be reasonable to see the Ox version quietly dropped, just as the new, improved DG hits the shops. Sad really, and I wish Oxford well. I'd guess that with all of the negative response of the DG might well persuade Oxford to steer clear of anything 'Western'. I fear that most, if not all of the major manufacturers will tread warily around anything with a GW background. Hawksworth 94xx, anybody? Haven't seen one of them for a while. Oh well, back to my Lima conversions, then.... Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) I'd suspect Hornby have stolen the march on Toad brakevans just now. It would be quite daunting to go up against the AA13, especially if you've got it 'wrong' (not, however, that I'm suggesting that). The extra detail required the 'wow' factor might well push the cost-effectiveness of the Ox toad into the realms of negative returns, and inhibit it's eventual release. It might be reasonable to see the Ox version quietly dropped, just as the new, improved DG hits the shops. Sad really, and I wish Oxford well. I'd guess that with all of the negative response of the DG might well persuade Oxford to steer clear of anything 'Western'. I fear that most, if not all of the major manufacturers will tread warily around anything with a GW background. Hawksworth 94xx, anybody? Haven't seen one of them for a while. Oh well, back to my Lima conversions, then.... Ian. By heck, you're a right bundle of joy Harry. You start off talking about negative returns and end up believing your own words. Hornby and Bachmann both produce a GWR 'Toad' and no one has gone over a cliff! Oxford's GWR goods brake is a different animal altogether. It is an earlier shorter version and a few lasted into early BR days. No reason at all to think it will not be popular. Edited August 8, 2017 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I'd suspect Hornby have stolen the march on Toad brakevans just now. It would be quite daunting to go up against the AA13, especially if you've got it 'wrong' (not, however, that I'm suggesting that). Not for me. AA13s are some futuristic newfangled invention, and the only person from my time period who may have seen one is HG Wells, while exploring what's to come in his time machine! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 No reason at all to think it will not be popular. Agreed, provided Oxford can do as well a job as Hornby did on their AA15. The current signs are, however, somewhat contrary to that aspiration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2017 Having bought a Hornby AA15 and being in the market for another one next paydsy, plus of course a late GW liveried one to accompany my BR examples, plus a bauxite liveried fitted BR one, I am still interested in the short wheelbase Oxford toad and fully intend to buy one, in BR unfitted livery. I may even be tempted by a 6-wheeler. Not all toads were AA15s even in BR days. Unless the thing turns out to be a total dog, Ox are guaranteed at least one customer here, especially if the handrails are separate, a matter which is still up for conjecture. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 By heck, you're a right bundle of joy Harry. You start off talking about negative returns and end up believing your own words. Hornby and Bachmann both produce a GWR 'Toad' and no one has gone over a cliff! Oxford's GWR goods brake is a different animal altogether. It is an earlier shorter version and a few lasted into early BR days. No reason at all to think it will not be popular. Sorry Coach, you're probably quite right. I'm looking forward to a different AA diagram Toad. Like you & others, I'll probably buy 2 or3, just for the different job diagrams. I haven't seen the new one yet, but I live in hope. I hereby faithfully promise not to go over a cliff. I might clutch a Bachmann Toad to my breast as I take that fateful step.... Ian. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Sorry Coach, you're probably quite right. I'm looking forward to a different AA diagram Toad. Like you & others, I'll probably buy 2 or3, just for the different job diagrams. I haven't seen the new one yet, but I live in hope. I hereby faithfully promise not to go over a cliff. I might clutch a Bachmann Toad to my breast as I take that fateful step.... Ian. If you place a point (turnout) and a Toad at the bottom when you do jump, you could be said to be hitting the frog and toad! Sorry, I'll get me hat and coat ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Oxford will no doubt produce an attractive model, which will prove popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Sorry Coach, you're probably quite right. I'm looking forward to a different AA diagram Toad. Like you & others, I'll probably buy 2 or3, just for the different job diagrams. I haven't seen the new one yet, but I live in hope. I hereby faithfully promise not to go over a cliff. I might clutch a Bachmann Toad to my breast as I take that fateful step.... Ian. No apologies needed Harry....er.. Ian. I speak with tongue in cheek although this is impossible to convey in the written word. Glad you took it in good part. I noticed in Hattons catalogue yesterday that one of the Oxford Toads will be allocated to Bala......Just the ticket for me! No doubt it would have been deteriorating out of use at the end of a siding by circa 1957, so any mistakes the manufacturer makes will pale into insignificance beside Rule 1... Edited August 9, 2017 by coachmann 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 It would appear that both Hornby & Oxford are to be branded 'Bala' (Hornby already have). I'm reliably informed that Maesglas (Newport) had the largest allocation of Toads, being adjacent to Ebbw Junction and Alexandra Dock Junction (again, Newport). I'm certainly interested in an AA1 (6 wheeler), and an AA2 (25 ton variety). That, and a 27xx pannier will look just right (or, an 18xx saddle tank). Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 It'll be nice to have a Toad that looks a bit different. Somewhere, I still have the old K's white metal one - yes, the floorless (not flawless) one. It's horribly heavy and drags lighter wagons off the track but at least it's obviously different from the others. (CJL) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 The big question is whether I just have the one I have on pre-order, that's destined for EM conversion, or buy another to convert to the sole broad gauge one.What sole BG one?Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 What sole BG one? Duncan See BGS Data Sheet 696. I assume you're a member if you have any interest in the broad gauge! Oxford will no doubt produce an attractive model, which will prove popular. I want realistic, not attractive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 Oxford will no doubt produce an attractive model, which will prove popular. The price should ensure the latter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 You've got to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 You've got to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative ..... ... except on DC! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drduncan Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 See BGS Data Sheet 696. I assume you're a member if you have any interest in the broad gauge! Yes, I joined a couple of months ago and I'm awaiting a pile of datasheets and back issues of Broadsheet so I can really get cracking on the BG side of things. D 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ailg8048 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 If you fancy going industrial with one Littletlon Colliery had one, now preserved and in action at Chasewater. Quite a simple livery. https://aligrieve.smugmug.com/PreservedRailways/Chasewater/Chasewater-Brewery-Day-2017/i-DpFnc6B/A 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The four AA3s, taken from the Oxford site. (I hope that's not breaking too many rules.) From top to bottom: - 'GWR planked (early) Paddington' (17831) - 'GWR planked (late) Acton 56034' - 'BR Bala 56449' - 'BR Basingstoke 35717' Every one has a trademark medley of classical Oxford errors. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Looks like three versions. One fully planked with early handrail, one with sheeting, planked verandah and later handrail, and one with fully planked sides. Shame the fully planked one doesn't have 25" GW, as I could live with that for now. What's the best way to remove Oxford's lettering? Not sure describing it with a 1920s livery as "early" is quite right! I wonder how many people will buy an "early" one to run with their glossy lined Dean Goods, even though the liveries don't match. The thing that strikes me is the bare inside of the verandah. Is it time for a complete list of faults? Edited August 11, 2017 by BG John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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