RMweb Premium Chimer Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 Yeah, Running water in a Stream is far easier to replicate, and more fun as you can improvise more with Rocks and River Beds etc. There are stretches of inland river which have been "canalised" to be fit for barge traffic (e.g. the River Wey Navigation at Guildford) so if you would prefer running water ....... Cheers Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Relax Mate it looks fine to me, have a great day with Nick tomorrow don't forget to take your camera with you ?.... Couldn't make Ruddington so will be pleased to see your pictures. Hi George and Peter, I'm now NOT going to Ruddington, various reasons, but Nick suggested it may not be worth the drive over there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 At this point in time it looks fine to me. Slight ripple in the water, who's to say it's not the backwash after a barge has just passed, or the spots on the surface - just starting to rain!!! Worst bits - stick a duck/swan/or some other featured flying object! on it to draw the eye away. Or a bit of flotsam, drifting by, hiding areas of concern. Also a slight breeze ruffling the surface of the water slightly........ Paint a few lilies or plant growth coming out from the bank to break up the area. From the pictures supplied I wouldn't do anything until it is dry, looking at the thickness I'd wait a month for it to cure all the way through..... I agree Kevin, I won't be adding any more layers now, and I will leave it some considerable time and add something in the way of Foliage or something at a later date if necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Ye There are stretches of inland river which have been "canalised" to be fit for barge traffic (e.g. the River Wey Navigation at Guildford) so if you would prefer running water ....... Cheers Chris Yes, and to think I used to swim in the Wey at Byfleet when I lived at Addlestone back the early 60's, (1960's that is, before anyone ask's). There is also the Wash from Dore Locks, just beyond the Rail Bridge to consider. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ray H Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 . . . . 1960's . . . . . . Anno Domini? Did they have canals BC? T'is looking good Andy. Please don't start worrying or it may adversely impact on how you feel about the rest of the layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 29, 2017 Author Share Posted July 29, 2017 Anno Domini? Did they have canals BC? T'is looking good Andy. Please don't start worrying or it may adversely impact on how you feel about the rest of the layout. Cheers Ray, No, it won't affect anything else, or how I feel, as once I have other things to look at, and things to take the eye away from it, it will just be a feature of the Canal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Sasquatch Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 Really enjoyed watching your videos with my toast this morning Andy. I forgotten what a Crompton sound like! You have managed a great job on the canal water with varnish . As a cabinet maker I hate the stuff and am on board with John where poly urethane is concerned not least because you can just sand the stuff off when its dry. Three coats should be good, applied sparingly. On furniture the first just gets soaked up and must be "denibbed" (lightly sanded with very fine sand paper!) and blown off with compressed air. The second should come up smooth and can also be denibbed using the back of the sand paper. For modeling water, the top coat will need to be gloss. I have discovered that if the base shrinks such as the 6mm MDF I used on my layout, some cracking may occur. So a quick denibbing and another coat of gloss will repair it but this will not work with normal varnishes because they don't like being sanded! Regards Shaun. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 Really enjoyed watching your videos with my toast this morning Andy. I forgotten what a Crompton sound like! You have managed a great job on the canal water with varnish . As a cabinet maker I hate the stuff and am on board with John where poly urethane is concerned not least because you can just sand the stuff off when its dry. Three coats should be good, applied sparingly. On furniture the first just gets soaked up and must be "denibbed" (lightly sanded with very fine sand paper!) and blown off with compressed air. The second should come up smooth and can also be denibbed using the back of the sand paper. For modeling water, the top coat will need to be gloss. I have discovered that if the base shrinks such as the 6mm MDF I used on my layout, some cracking may occur. So a quick denibbing and another coat of gloss will repair it but this will not work with normal varnishes because they don't like being sanded! Regards Shaun. Very interesting Shaun. In my dinghy-sailing days I was taught to thin down the first coat so that it soaked into the wood properly but not to denib it, as that would leave the ends of the fibres showing. My teacher told me to sand only the second and subsequent coats (all marine-grade polyurethane of course). More than one way to kill a cat... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmand14 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 And in other news, yesterday saw some weathering jobs being done, both for myself and friends. Firstly I had to do a Coach for a Mate, Ashley, (the younger one), for a Weed Killing Train, I did the other two and the Locos and Tanks about a year ago, so had to TRY to remember how I did it, and TRY to match it, I don't know which was the original and which one I did yesterday now. Weathering Diesels 001.JPG Then for another Ashley, (the Older) a Bachmann WD. Weathering Diesels 007.JPG Next a few of mine, the first being a Lima 20, Large Logo on the left, (with the guts removed) for Double Heading. Weathering 004.JPG And then a couple of 37's, 2 X 47's and a 50, I hate doing Grey roofed Loco's, they are so difficult to get right IMHO, as the Louvre's are always oily. Weathering Diesels 006.JPG Weathering 002.JPG Weathering 001.JPG Weathering 003.JPG No pic of this one, it's a Railfreight LL 47, as the Body is off awaiting the Sound chip that has just arrived a few minutes ago. Or the Cl 50, 50046 Ajax with a Black Roof, I don't know why I didn't photograph that one either. Nicely set of weathered stuff Andy, like the roof on the 47. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Really enjoyed watching your videos with my toast this morning Andy. I forgotten what a Crompton sound like! You have managed a great job on the canal water with varnish . As a cabinet maker I hate the stuff and am on board with John where poly urethane is concerned not least because you can just sand the stuff off when its dry. Three coats should be good, applied sparingly. On furniture the first just gets soaked up and must be "denibbed" (lightly sanded with very fine sand paper!) and blown off with compressed air. The second should come up smooth and can also be denibbed using the back of the sand paper. For modeling water, the top coat will need to be gloss. I have discovered that if the base shrinks such as the 6mm MDF I used on my layout, some cracking may occur. So a quick denibbing and another coat of gloss will repair it but this will not work with normal varnishes because they don't like being sanded! Regards Shaun. Very interesting Shaun. In my dinghy-sailing days I was taught to thin down the first coat so that it soaked into the wood properly but not to denib it, as that would leave the ends of the fibres showing. My teacher told me to sand only the second and subsequent coats (all marine-grade polyurethane of course). More than one way to kill a cat... Morning Guys, Thanks both for your input and info, I'm not a rubbing down sort of person, even on white paint work, that's the bit I hate. As I'm now not out today, I intend to get the Canal Board outside in the sunshine and get some pics for you all, and then I'll stick it in place on the Layout and take some more there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Nicely set of weathered stuff Andy, like the roof on the 47. Thanks Marmannd14, very kind of you, and as I said, I hate trying to get those light Grey roofs to look natural, but I'm pleased with it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 I've just been out and got some quick shots whilst the Sun is shining. I'll do some indoor ones later. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNP Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 I've just been out and got some quick shots whilst the Sun is shining. I'll do some indoor ones later. Canal 11 001.JPG Canal 11 002.JPG Canal 11 003.JPG Canal 11 004.JPG Looks great, nice reflection of the bridge in the murky canal water..... I assume you have decided to leave for a while to see how things dry? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Looks great, nice reflection of the bridge in the murky canal water..... I assume you have decided to leave for a while to see how things dry? Thanks Kevin, Yes, I won't be adding any more layers at all now, the clear parts look deep, and you cant see much in Canals any way, so I'm happy with it now, I'm putting it in the Conservatory today so that it has warmth and sun light, as although it's sunny out side, it still looks a little showery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted July 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2017 Varnish applied thickly can take ages to dry and damp days don't help. The surface doesn't have to be that smooth and someone has had trouble with the surface under the bridge A few Swans or Ducks could do it Don 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Varnish applied thickly can take ages to dry and damp days don't help. The surface doesn't have to be that smooth canal1.jpg and someone has had trouble with the surface under the bridge canal2.jpg A few Swans or Ducks could do it Don Thanks Don, and hey, what lovely pics, I do like the one with the Boats tied up at the top, but the Swans and Signets is definitely an Aghhhhhhhhhhh moment, superb, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Bostin cut (canal) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2017 Hi Andy. Can I suggest you leave the canal alone for a while. Go and weather some wagons or sort them cows out in the field next to Dore End Station. :sungum: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted July 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2017 Thanks Don, and hey, what lovely pics, I do like the one with the Boats tied up at the top, but the Swans and Signets is definitely an Aghhhhhhhhhhh moment, superb, thanks. Andy the one with the Boats is on the Llangollen canal by Colemere heading along the towpath towards Ellesmere probably somewhere you might pass through on your travels. lovely walk right round the mere and you can access the towpath on the far side from the carpark. The swans and signets was on one of the drainage cuts north of Tywyn close to the railway line heading to Fairbourne and the Bridge. When visiting the TalyLlyn we walked north on the footpath then along the Dysynni You are doing a lovely job on this layout. Don 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Bostin cut (canal) Thanks Dan, I always wanted some water, and wasn't sure whether to go for a River or Canal, I may still try and incorporate a River somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Hi Andy. Can I suggest you leave the canal alone for a while. Go and weather some wagons or sort them cows out in the field next to Dore End Station. :sungum: Hi Clive, Yes as I said earlier, I won't be putting any more layers into the Canal now until I get around to doing the detailing which could be at least a year or so away. The Cows are gone, and some Sheep have been purchased from a Farmer in Wales so should be here soon, I think there walking here, hahah As for weathering, I have loads to do, but that's for when I do other stuff at the same time. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Andy the one with the Boats is on the Llangollen canal by Colemere heading along the towpath towards Ellesmere probably somewhere you might pass through on your travels. lovely walk right round the mere and you can access the towpath on the far side from the carpark. The swans and signets was on one of the drainage cuts north of Tywyn close to the railway line heading to Fairbourne and the Bridge. When visiting the TalyLlyn we walked north on the footpath then along the Dysynni You are doing a lovely job on this layout. Don Thanks for the compliment on the Layout Don, and also for the info on the Canals around Llangollen, I've never stopped to look at them on our way to Bala, I really must make the effort to see more of that area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Andy the one with the Boats is on the Llangollen canal by Colemere heading along the towpath towards Ellesmere probably somewhere you might pass through on your travels. lovely walk right round the mere and you can access the towpath on the far side from the carpark. The swans and signets was on one of the drainage cuts north of Tywyn close to the railway line heading to Fairbourne and the Bridge. When visiting the TalyLlyn we walked north on the footpath then along the Dysynni You are doing a lovely job on this layout. Don Don that walk along the canal at Colemere is one of my favourites especially towards Ellesmere where the canal follows the shore of Blakemere and onto the canal tunnel ...wonderful place for scenic ideas and inspiration .... and excellent bird spotting too 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Hi Clive, Yes as I said earlier, I won't be putting any more layers into the Canal now until I get around to doing the detailing which could be at least a year or so away. The Cows are gone, and some Sheep have been purchased from a Farmer in Wales so should be here soon, I think there walking here, hahah As for weathering, I have loads to do, but that's for when I do other stuff at the same time. Oh no Andy you haven't bought Welsh sheep have you .....their for escaping and I now fear ' rail kill ' now that could be interesting to model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted July 30, 2017 Author Share Posted July 30, 2017 Don that walk along the canal at Colemere is one of my favourites especially towards Ellesmere where the canal follows the shore of Blakemere and onto the canal tunnel ...wonderful place for scenic ideas and inspiration .... and excellent bird spotting too Oh no Andy you haven't bought Welsh sheep have you .....their ###### for escaping and I now fear ' rail kill ' now that could be interesting to model Don't worry about Rail Kill, I think they may drop off the edge of the Universe first. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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