cravensdmufan Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 On 02/04/2017 at 09:33, robertcwp said: Some from my collection: M28577M_OxRd by Robert Carroll, on Flickr M28222M by Robert Carroll, on Flickr M59601M_ManPicc by Robert Carroll, on Flickr AM3_036_GlasgowC_8-3-67 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 017_Crewe_22-8-77 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 306053_Apr-81 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr AM9_601-618-625_Stratford_0948-Clacton-LivSt_4-7-64 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr AM10_south-of-Tring_23-5-68 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 313009_WillesdenJct_3-90 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 317311_2_Bedford_SEP-83 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr P1040215m by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Great photos, thanks for posting. Being an ex BR(GE) man, I particularly liked the 306 on Platform 5 at Shenfield. Unusual, in that they were normally run as 3x3 car units, even off peak. The 309 in it's original maroon livery passing through Stratford looks stunning - real quality trains, built properly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold geoff Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2021 360120 heads to Corby with 1Y21 11:15 ST PANCRAS INTERNATIONAL - 12:24 CORBY. running on 10/08/2021 360104 and 110 work the 1H42 12:11 CORBY. - 13:22 ST PANCRAS INTERNATIONAL running on 10/08/2021 360105, 360112 & 360108 Stand side by side at Kettering with the 1Y17 and 1H36 respectively. Geoff 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Eurostar 3005 and 3105, plus one unidentified set await their next duties at St Pancras International on 28th July 2009... ...with 3220 on an adjacent platform. Edited April 7, 2022 by 4630 re-upload photos 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2021 Are the original Eurostars emus? I thought that like the HSTs they had locos at each end. I think that the new e320s and the Javelins are emus with motors under the carriages. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Edited August 11, 2021 by phil_sutters 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoingUnderground Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 hours ago, phil_sutters said: Are the original Eurostars emus? I thought that like the HSTs they had locos at each end. I think that the new e320s and the Javelins are emus with motors under the carriages. I always thought that Multiple Unit referred to how the formation worked, not the positioning of the motors along the formation. If the first Eurostars aren't multiple units then what are they? The coaches and the Driving Motor "loco" are semi-permanently coupled and cannot be uncoupled in service, and when 2 Eurostar units are connected together the formation can be driven from either cab. Your definition would rule out the entire French TGV fleet from being Multiple Units. If your definition requires the motors to be distributed along the formation then that also rules out MUs like the London Transport/Underground Metropolitan line A60 Stock and most DMUs such as the Class 115 from being Multiple Units as like Eurostar they only had a "loco" in the form of the Driving Motor at each end of each 4 car set with the two middle cars being unpowered Trailer cars. In the case of the A60s the cars in each 4 car set were semi-permanently coupled together and could only be uncoupled for maintenance/servicing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2021 HSTs were multiple units. The "locos" might have been numbered in the 43xxx series, but remember the sets were Class 253/254; 2xx series being reserved for DEMUs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted August 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) Departing Didcot on a very warm May afternoon, taken after an RMWeb tour of the GWS site Edited April 7, 2022 by Davexoc Photo restored 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, phil_sutters said: Are the original Eurostars emus? I thought that like the HSTs they had locos at each end. 11 hours ago, Northmoor said: HSTs were multiple units. Where the motors are is completely irrelevant to whether it's a Multiple Unit. The Multiple part stands for the ability to run sets in Multiple i.e. under one set of controls. HSTs were Diesel Units, but not Mulitiple Units as two (or more) sets could not be coupled to be run together under one set of controls. TGVs (including, I think, the 373s) can be. The Blue Pullmans all started out as Diesel Units, but the 6-car units had jumpers added and became proper Diesel Multiple Units so a 12 car set could be run. Towards the end I believe the 6 and 8 car coaches got a bit mixed around, which would confuse things a bit. Of course, if you count each three or four car half set as a unit, you could say a six or eight car Blue Pullman was a Mulitple Unit, but a half set would never be used in service on its own. Edited August 12, 2021 by BernardTPM 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, phil_sutters said: Are the original Eurostars emus? I thought that like the HSTs they had locos at each end. I think that the new e320s and the Javelins are emus with motors under the carriages. Each 373 half set has three powered bogies. Two on the driving vehicle plus the outer bogie of the adjacent vehicle which also has traction equipment in a compartment at its outer end. If you look at pictures of 373s you can see that the end part of this vehicle has full height body side air grills where the traction compartment is located. Edited August 12, 2021 by DY444 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted August 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 12, 2021 A few photos here of the best* EMUs BR built, the class 310/312. 310078 at Leighton Buzzard, June 1983. 310067, again at Leighton Buzzard, with the now dismantled footbridge in the background, in June 1983. This unit was the lead unit in the accident in October 1984, striking a Freightliner train as it left Wembley yard. Interior of an un-refurbished DTCOL, with the 1st class compartment at the end. From 1986/7 onwards, the class started to gain NSE livery, with refurbished interiors and flat glass panes replacing the wraparound ones. Here's 310087, at LB again, in June 1987. From around 1988, an influx of class 317's displaced from Midland line duties by class 319's gradually displaced the 310's to the LTS lines out of Fenchurch St. Here, 310050 arrives at the LTS terminus on 07.04.2001. First class member, 310046, is seen at journeys end, Shoeburyness, in June 2001. My last ride on a class 310/312 was in June 2004, with 312713, seen here departing Witham. A nearly 40 year old design could still hold its own in ride & comfort terms with modern EMUs, if a little draughty & noisy due to the large number of droplight windows and slam doors that never seemed to seal properly. The end came a few months later. Shame no complete unit has been preserved, but I guess they'll never be crowd pullers on most preserved lines. *I guess class 303/311 and 309 fans may disagree, but they weren't very common on the southern end of the WCML! 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northmoor Posted August 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 12, 2021 I was there for the last day of 310s/312s on the LTS and on one of the Farewell to the 312s tours on GE, but I think all my photos are pre-digital so will have to dig out the scanner. They were very nice units, I agree, although BR's best EMU was probably the 370..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rugd1022 Posted August 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2021 Just another boring Sunday morning at Rugby in 1979.... how I wish it were still like this now....! 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted August 17, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 12/08/2021 at 10:34, Rugd1022 said: Just another boring Sunday morning at Rugby in 1979.... how I wish it were still like this now....! I can still hear the tick-tick-tick of something brake related as they stood. Not the compressors, which is another sound, I'm thinking of a more lazy, occasional tick, I guess from something cooling, or releasing pressure. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 12/08/2021 at 08:10, rodent279 said: *I guess class 303/311 and 309 fans may disagree, but they weren't very common on the southern end of the WCML! Ironic really because weren't the 309s supposed to be a prototype class for WCML expresses, before BR chose to go with loco haulage? Having been brought up around Colchester, I saw 309s & 312s regularly (& in the late 90s, also the occasional 310 on the local services). For comfort, the 309s win hands down. I think most of their trips on the WCML were to Wolverton to get repainted....until they emigrated to Manchester. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southof1E top tmd Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 310060 arrives at Leighton Buzzard in Jan 83. This is unusual is that it is a 12 car formation which were unusual on local service trains at the time and from memory was the result of a failure. Top units them AM10s! NR https://leightonlists.com/ 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: Ironic really because weren't the 309s supposed to be a prototype class for WCML expresses, before BR chose to go with loco haulage? Having been brought up around Colchester, I saw 309s & 312s regularly (& in the late 90s, also the occasional 310 on the local services). For comfort, the 309s win hands down. I think most of their trips on the WCML were to Wolverton to get repainted....until they emigrated to Manchester. I think there was a plan at one point for 309 style emus to work the (shorter) Euston-West Midlands Inter City services but my recollection is that the longer distance electric services to Liverpool, Manchester etc were always intended to be locomotive hauled. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Rugby, 1975.... 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) Liverpool Street 18/08/21 Still a proper looking unit (although no 310!) and crying out for a retro blue/pearl grey application. Consecutive 322484 and 322485 at the stops. Regards Guy Edited August 21, 2021 by balders 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 17/08/2021 at 07:45, rodent279 said: I can still hear the tick-tick-tick of something brake related as they stood. Not the compressors, which is another sound, I'm thinking of a more lazy, occasional tick, I guess from something cooling, or releasing pressure. Traps in the pipework discharging water ( from condensate, etc,) They open and shut with a snap action, hence the "Pop". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 MSJA Class 505 Timperley 1968 by George Woods Altrincham 1968 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southof1E top tmd Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Glasgow's finest at Nuneaton! Longsight based 303050 with an evening Trent Valley local service for Rugby on September 4th 1982 nr https://leightonlists.com/ 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 17/08/2021 at 08:24, Southof1E top tmd said: 310060 arrives at Leighton Buzzard in Jan 83. This is unusual is that it is a 12 car formation which were unusual on local service trains at the time and from memory was the result of a failure. Top units them AM10s! NR https://leightonlists.com/ ! always enjoyed my trips on a 310 or 312 seats comfortable ,quiet ,easy to board and gave a spirited journey north from Tring to Brum could carry a good passenger load especially on exhibition days in Brum. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted August 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, lmsforever said: ! always enjoyed my trips on a 310 or 312 seats comfortable ,quiet ,easy to board and gave a spirited journey north from Tring to Brum could carry a good passenger load especially on exhibition days in Brum. Always was a mystery to my, why BR didn't perpetuate MK2 based EMU designs. A MK2 version of a 309 would have been a nice machine to ride on. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 11/08/2021 at 21:31, Northmoor said: HSTs were multiple units. The "locos" might have been numbered in the 43xxx series, but remember the sets were Class 253/254; 2xx series being reserved for DEMUs. You should have been present at some of the discussions about which brake regulations to apply! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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